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Post by nightmare75 on Dec 9, 2010 19:54:33 GMT -5
for the GF GT5 board to stop sucking so much? It's soooooo nooby right now. It seems like the board is 80% trading and 20% trolling right now.
Oh, how I yearn for the days of the awesome GT4 board. Sigh.
I've sort of considered looking into starting a new Nurburgring Diaries on the GT5 board, but I feel like it would be largely ignored at this point...
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Post by ½ A Gram on Dec 10, 2010 11:14:50 GMT -5
hugely ignored. don't even bother. in the last 4 or 5 days, I've read like 6 topics detailing how the track sucks since it's not the fucking autobahn.
the GT5 board is gonna suckl for at least another 4 months. my diagnosis.
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Post by ½ A Gram on Dec 10, 2010 22:22:48 GMT -5
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Post by nightmare75 on Dec 11, 2010 0:46:31 GMT -5
While it's easier to become better, quicker with a wheel, you're absolutely right, there is no event in this game that is not winnable with a DS3. The fact of the matter is that some of the fastest people playing this game are using controllers, which has been true for every GT.
I agree that some seemingly moronic design decisions have been made with the end result of gratuitous grinding. Not allowing the re-winning of prize cars and the inability to sell the expensive ones leads to doing a lot of re-racing for cash, more so than in previous iterations of the franchise. For example, in GT4, you could come up with enough money to buy any car in the game with about a half hour of effort in the DTCM (Which, in retrospect, is probably why you can't re-win prize cars in GT5). That's definitely not true in GT5, where some cars cost 20 million credits and the easy and fast farming races only yield ~100k. I think I read somewhere on the board that the fastest you can earn credits is something like 17,000 credits/minute. If you work that out, it equates to more than 19 hours of grinding to buy a single car. That's pretty ridiculous.
Looking at it from a level standpoint is not great either. If you're actually playing the game, getting to level 29 is (apparently) easy, with few to no race repeats. After that, it takes straight grinding to level up because you're out of new races. That wouldn't be a problem if you were done unlocking things at level 30 or something like that, after which point your level stopped mattering, but in order to unlock the last races, you need level 40. Level 30 to level 40 is a HUGE amount of experience. It's going to take you absolutely FOREVER to get there and it's going to be straight grinding. You might enjoy it by retrying races with slower cars or whatever, but it's still grinding, no matter what face you put on it.
I'll illustrate my point and what I think the solution should be with the RPGs you've mentioned. I've never played FF or Demon's Souls, but I have extensively played Oblivion and Fallout 3. In those games, if you feel like you need some levels to advance, you go and do side quests. In F3, it's stupid easy to hit the level cap well before you finish the main story, and while I have done a little bit of power leveling in Oblivion, it was never truly necessary (Both games scale the world down to your level, but that's beside the point). At level 30, GT5 runs out of side quests. It's like if you're playing F3 and you needed ton of experience and the only thing you had to do was go kill some mirelurks. If you really enjoy the game, you'll probably find an interesting way to go about killing your mirelurks, but it's going to get old at some point. There's a line where large experience gaps between unlocks becomes tedious and pointless and GT5 is well on the wrong side of that line.
The solution is more side quests, so to speak. Personally, I'd like to see a bunch of high-level one make races added where everyone is restricted to the same car and the AI is turned up enough to make it difficult. The problem with having a lot of one-makes is that it would be annoying and difficult to find the cars for them if they decide to use standard cars for the races, which I think is another glaringly bad design decision. I mean seriously, why aren't standard cars available in a dealer somewhere? It's so ridiculous trying to find specific cars. They don't all need to be available, but even some would be nice.
Requiring a player to go back and redo previous events over and over again is bad game design, period. There's no sugar coating that as far as I'm concerned. The level system feels like it was implemented by someone who's never done a level system before and didn't have a realistic expectation of how much experience was going to be available and how much it would take to unlock things. There's no reason why they can't revise this with a patch, either by making races worth more experience points or by revising the amount of experience it takes to level up.
While I've enjoyed most of my time playing the game thus far, I feel like GT5 tends to get in its own way as far as my enjoyment is concerned. What good is having 1000 cars if you can't even buy two-thirds of them at any given time?
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Post by ½ A Gram on Dec 11, 2010 16:05:57 GMT -5
5/5 post.
seriously. you nailed pretty much every complaint I have with GT5's system of money and leveling.
there is no fucking reason i cannot sell any given car, which has a price on it in the first place. in GT4, you couldn't sell a concept car because there wasn't a price to scale down. no reason for this crap in GT5, other than grinding.
the only thing I can think of, is that, from Kaz's remarks about supporting GT5, we'll see events added later under the special events tag (or perhaps a new menu entirely).
the REAL WAY to fix this, the ultimate way to propogate GT5, gain some popularity, and beat out FM3 all in one swoop, is to add money winning and exp gains from online ranked rooms.
it'd take a while, but have tiered rooms for people with certain skill levels. eveyrone starts out low. as you win races you gain driver exp, and money, form your winnings (note: all places should pay out SOMETHING, to discourage quitting, just like GT5's career mode).
encorporate an online leveling system almost like medal fo Honour. finish in the top half of the grid, gain exp to move up into more advanced rooms. finish in the bottom half, don't.
so you'd have an online rank, to determine the rooms you can enter, and the cars you can use. your online winnigns would be applied to your single player account. both exp and money.
boom. grind is gone. online is proliferated, people are happy.(er)
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Post by nightmare75 on Dec 11, 2010 17:31:00 GMT -5
I think adding experience/cash prizes to the online is an acceptable solution, but it isn't one that I'd particularly enjoy, tbh. I haven't touched online yet and I have no real intention to do so. If that had been in place from the start, the grind complaints would basically be null and void, as far as I'm concerned, but it wouldn't help me at all.
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Post by Nemesis on Dec 11, 2010 18:49:45 GMT -5
Judging by the actual status of the board, I'd say... around the time it starts to die out...
Which we all know is going to be like 5-6 YEARS minimum...
I'd say this board needs a severe lesson in RECTAL OWNERSHIP-ISM. Nemesis_Lion style!!!
EDIT: I just posted this for shits and giggles on this topic (http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/941103-gran-turismo-5/57448468):
*Nascar fan picks his Nascar*
*Plays first track and wins*
*Plays Grand Valley Speedway*
*Needs to turn right on the second corner*
...
*head asplodes*
I just put it here so if it gets modded, you'll see what I wrote.
Note: this does NOT express my opinion on NASCAR
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Post by ½ A Gram on Dec 11, 2010 22:48:45 GMT -5
nice one nem. that nascar event was total BS. I HATE grand valley so much, and playing it in that goddamned nascar just made me. . . . FFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU another shining example of failure: www.gamefaqs.com/boards/941103-gran-turismo-5/57450381IT CAN'T BE NORMAL WEAR! IT HAS TO BE PD'S FAULT! THEY ARE SCHEMING AGAINST US! fuck sake. how hard is it to understand that servers can fail as well? holy hell man. Nem, I suggest we just trawl the boards, shrimp boat style, and pwn as we find. yes? Nightmare: it'd suck hard for those without the ability to play online, you bet. but it'd be a temporary fix, a bandaid anyway. and not very difficult to add either. I actually have a hankering feeling that this weekends seemingly endless server maintenance may end up being a restructuring of online.
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Post by J Money on Dec 11, 2010 23:01:53 GMT -5
Stupid people are stupid... That's how it will always be.
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Post by ½ A Gram on Dec 12, 2010 1:00:28 GMT -5
errrgh this steve jabroni guy is pissin me off. these people will cause me to get fucking banned from G-fags. I know it. change my mind. that peontom guy needs a readjustment. he's so pro GT5 that it's ridiculous. nothing is wrong with the game. www.gamefaqs.com/boards/941103-gran-turismo-5/57452735holy effin hell. edit: NOOOOO! they locked it! I fucking raped that guy for like 2 hours over his failure of loving GT5 so much. it was so good.....i didn't even spit on it. and they took it away. KNEW I should copy pastad the whole thing when he told me a pylon would cause an elise to wheelie 3 feet in the air. . . DAMMIT. all that pwn wasted!
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Post by DeltaMustang65 on Dec 12, 2010 14:12:27 GMT -5
Hopefully there will be a steady dropoff, maybe starting with Christmas as more and more of the spoiled kiddies get the latest COD, NFS, etc.
Sure, plenty will be left. Some will depart when they glitch into their fancy racecars and then become bored. Some will ragequit for life when unable to pass some random, straightforward license exam.
I'll probably stop by GF when it cools down a bit, as I'm not quitting this game even after plat. Probably spend all my time online playing with my toys and chatting with friends, at that point. Headsets can be used to talk to opponents online, right? I haven't even tried yet.
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Post by ½ A Gram on Dec 12, 2010 15:21:31 GMT -5
Headsets are t3h functional. as it text chat should you be too poor for a headset.
I go there for the entertainment value of some of those trolls. egging on that peontom guy is just trolling a troll, and it's so fuckign satisfying sometimes.
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Post by nightmare75 on Dec 12, 2010 17:58:42 GMT -5
Sounds like the downtime yesterday was for fixing the birthday glitch. Can't say I'm sad to see it go, but I think they could've picked a better time for downtime like that. Who knows what actually went down though, maybe they had something else that needed fixing and just decided to fix the b-day glitch since the servers were already down?
And I agree, it IS really fun trolling trolls.
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Post by DeltaMustang65 on Dec 12, 2010 20:03:31 GMT -5
Meh, I never felt like using that glitch anyhow.
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Post by ½ A Gram on Dec 13, 2010 1:41:33 GMT -5
nightmare: Can't really say i miss it either. grinding is meh, but glitching is blech. I did it once in the hopes of a quick 5 million. when i realized that it'd be almost as much work as just racing, i said eff that noise. Delta: I hope I didn't come across like i was insulting your stang tonight man. I'd never make the mistake of insulting a man's baby like that. she is a damned fine car from the pics I've seen, and i like your direction of going for a GT350 overhaul with the engine. as always, more pics are required. vidjas too! and, I checked out the GF board for your brake upgrade question. this was posted by a smart person: that's puts it very well. GT5 doesn't model brake fade. so adding bigger brakes that dissipate more heat doesn't really make sense. pwnage that the creator of the brake fade post put down on the rest of the GF failures: www.gamefaqs.com/boards/941103-gran-turismo-5/57323699
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