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Post by Spartan on Feb 17, 2011 17:57:28 GMT -5
In the news recently, you may have heard about a completely ridiculous story about a teacher who had a blog in which she wrote many foul things about her students and coworkers, "belligerent fucks" being one of many. I would just like you all to know that I go to the school she works(ed?) at, and she was my English teacher. news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110216/ap_on_hi_te/us_teacher_suspended_blog |
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Post by J Money on Feb 17, 2011 18:13:18 GMT -5
my school was ranked 435th out of the 500ish (public I think) high schools...
EDIT: We had a teacher who got fired for letting kids smoke in the classroom when there wasn't a class.
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Post by nightmare75 on Feb 17, 2011 20:16:59 GMT -5
Wow. I had a teacher that drank with students and I thought that was bad.
I don't think there's any way she can ever teach again. What student is going to listen to the crazy bitch that thinks they're all lazy whiners? I wouldn't, that's for damn sure.
The sticky bit is that she has some valid and legitimate concerns. It seems to me that this younger generation (the one I belong to) has this sense of entitlement that older generations didn't. But the fact that she went about voicing these issues in a demeaning and insulting way is not responsible. I'd go so far as to call it reprehensible, even.
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Post by ½ A Gram on Feb 18, 2011 0:49:15 GMT -5
am i the only one who doesn't give a shit?
teachers are fed a truckload of bullshit every day. particularly highschool teachers. highschool aged kids are the most asshole'ish group of people out there. I'd put us above the average terrorist for being hateful pricks.
we hate eveyrthing, everyone, and just wanna leave class. fuck work, fuck paying attention, and fuck the teacher talking to us. that is generally the attitude. even the brainiacs are only doing it for the potential of university (which they mostly bitch about as well).
So if she wants to vent, I don't have an issue with it. I'd have more of an issue if she said every student was awesome and sugar coated the shite out of it.
now, doing so in a public forum is less than desired. bu i don't begrudge her opinions at all. I knwo i was a little bastard when i was in highschool. i enjoyed probably 2 out of 20 bookwork styled classes.
and just to add to the "we had x teacher at out school":
at my highschool, a teacher was arrested for assaulting ninth grade girls.
she was removed from her position.
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Post by Spartan on Feb 19, 2011 23:26:19 GMT -5
I don't think there's any way she can ever teach again. What student is going to listen to the crazy bitch that thinks they're all lazy whiners? I wouldn't, that's for damn sure. The sticky bit is that she has some valid and legitimate concerns. It seems to me that this younger generation (the one I belong to) has this sense of entitlement that older generations didn't. This is exactly the problem and why it has escalated into basically a national news story. The fact is, she's right about what she said. a lot of kids are ungrateful and lazy. And yeah, if she were to return to her position teaching, she would get zero respect and would never be able to control anyone. and pissy parents would never end the barrage of emails. Someone i know on the student council or something said that the principal of the school got over three thousand emails about this teacher. am i the only one who doesn't give a shit? teachers are fed a truckload of bullshit every day. particularly highschool teachers. highschool aged kids are the most asshole'ish group of people out there. I'd put us above the average terrorist for being hateful pricks. I think the problem isn't what she thinks, because we all have people in our lives that we hate, its just that she posted online about this. The other thing that's pretty stupid is this: she basically posted online what should have been private, like a diary, online. This same teacher talked to us about being careful what you say online. Then, she also told students that she had a blog. The painful irony of it all was the clever comments that students came up with. We had read Macbeth (one of the two things we actually did in that class) and many students said "fair is foul, foul is fair" |
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Post by ½ A Gram on Feb 20, 2011 12:54:35 GMT -5
wow, soa student actually took something from macbeth?
teacher did her job.
Sorry, but that i read, no specific examples were given. no names named. in that case, she could be talking about any students in general.
Kids don't like to hear that they are what they are, and parents like hearing about little timmy and tammy being lazy bastards.
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Post by nightmare75 on Feb 20, 2011 13:41:11 GMT -5
There's nothing wrong with a teacher pointing out that the current generation of students are over-privileged, lazy, entitlement-seekers, but the demeaning language she used is what is getting her fired. There's a huge difference between "I think kids today are more lazy than their parents" and "The kids I'm teaching are lazy whiners." This teacher posted a number of statements like these that are demeaning to the students she is teaching. I know the kids have problems, but insulting them isn't going to make anything better.
And I think you'll find that a lot of parents will take their kids' side in basically anything related to school. Acknowledging that their kids have problems would seem to reflect directly back at them and the jobs they did as parents. They don't want to have to face that they did a poor job, they'd rather believe that the way they raised their children was correct.
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Post by ½ A Gram on Feb 20, 2011 23:43:18 GMT -5
which is the issue in the first place. . .
I'd high five this teacher if I met her.
no BS.
I think being frank is good. not enoguh of it around these days.
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Post by DeltaMustang65 on Mar 5, 2011 9:56:06 GMT -5
Kinda reminds me of the people that act like complete asses to people who are on the job simply because they know the employee can't retaliate.
The kids can do and say whatever they want with just a slap on the wrist, but God forbid the teacher says anything about it and makes the school look bad. I didn't read the article because this type of thing makes me sick, but I'm guessing that she is now unemployed? That seems fair...
It'd be awesome if EVERY teacher at the school pulled the same stunt right about now. Can't fire them all, right? Maybe this teacher could get her job back at that point by claiming favoritism, unfair treatment...that doesn't seem quite right, but I can't think of the correct term at the moment.
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Post by ½ A Gram on Mar 5, 2011 23:37:59 GMT -5
i do believe that either predjudice or descrimination would fly in that situation.
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Post by nightmare75 on Mar 6, 2011 3:31:27 GMT -5
She was profane and demeaning in her descriptions of students. There's no way she can have any credibility in the classroom now. She will no longer be able to do her job effectively and as such she should find a different career.
She's right and what she said needed saying, but not in the way she went about doing it. There's a fine line between criticizing students and outright insulting them and she was quite a long way past the wrong side of that line.
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Post by ½ A Gram on Mar 6, 2011 18:16:39 GMT -5
fine line between criticising your teacher and downright insulting her/him as well.
students cross that line every day, multiple times a day.
Matt:
you'd need most of the teachers in an entire district to pull that in order for it to work. even then, I dunno.
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Post by DeltaMustang65 on Mar 9, 2011 21:58:49 GMT -5
^Good point. Not that insults improve either side's cause. Then again, some people may benefit from a thicker skin.
As for district solidarity, I'd still LOVE to see what might come from such a stunt.
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Post by nightmare75 on Mar 10, 2011 1:37:37 GMT -5
fine line between criticising your teacher and downright insulting her/him as well. students cross that line every day, multiple times a day. Certainly, you are correct, but there are repercussions if a student blatantly insults a teacher in a public manner. But can you hold a student to the same standard as a teacher? A teacher is a professional and should certainly know better than to go insulting pupils. I won't argue that a high school or middle school student shouldn't know better as well, but the fact of the matter is that often kids of that age are NOT mature enough to be able to keep their emotions or impulsive thoughts under control. In a case where a student's emotions get the better of their judgment, you discipline them and they hopefully learn something. Nothing would be gained by expelling them (which is, I think, the equivalent punishment here) The teacher should have learned that by now, there's no way you can expect him or her to NOT have learned that by now. Insulting students was a terrible lapse in judgment by this teacher and she is being punished accordingly. The only reason this is national news is because she raised some valid points along the way, but being right doesn't necessarily absolve you of guilt. |
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Post by ½ A Gram on Mar 10, 2011 21:04:00 GMT -5
it should to me.
the truth cannot be offensive, it's the truth.
if you're a fat, lazy asshole, you are. don't be offended when someoen says so.
if the kids are lazy, crude pricks, they are. no one should be offended when that is said.
I'm a frank guy. i tell it like it is, no questions asked or sugar coating thrown on. so i commend this teacher and think it is totally wrong that she got fired. hell I think someone should listen to her.
by your logic nightmare, my boss shouldn't have called me a "fucking dipshit" today when i put 2 air nails through the vinyl siding of a neighbouring house by accident. He's my teacher. he should be held to a higher standard, yes?
maybe I'm twisting it here, maybe i'm not getting it. but to me, the teacher was right, so she shouldn't have been fired. She was bringing an issue with the school system (not holding students accountable) to light, and she was fired for it, basically. IMHO, that's what it boils down to.
and I can guarantee you, not a single eyebrow would've been raised if she had done it in a politically correct manner. She wouldn't have been fired, no.
but no one would've listened, and this debate we're having right now (which is still, as remotely as it seems, consequential) wouldn't be happening.
why does it take harsh language and "insults" (can you insult someone if it's the truth?) to make people listen?
but I digress, I'm rambling.
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