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Post by vitg on Aug 5, 2007 9:46:45 GMT -5
Volume Xl of the RingDiary
Stay Tuned.
Should finish uploading within a couple of days.
Have been busy extracting BR posts.
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Post by vitg on Aug 6, 2007 2:23:49 GMT -5
Volume Eleven Page1 From: Amarynceus | Posted: 10/19/2005 9:16:45 PM | Message Detail Wednesday, October 19, 2005 Welcome to the Nürburgring Diary, founded by sackedagain, and home to those who simply cannot get enough of the fabled Nürburgring Nordschleife, often referred to simply as the "Ring". The Diary is a forum for sharing virtual experiences of the Ring between Virtual Ringers. Here is where those who love the Ring can get together and share their stories about this fabulous and sometimes terrifying track, site of intense Grand Prix racing from the '20s until Niki Lauda's fearful immolation in 1976. After this, Grand Prix departed the 'Ring forever. It still occupies an important place in the automotive world, being a site of near-constant testing by almost all major manufacturers, and a valuable proving ground. There is even a real-life 24 hour race that takes place every year. So, come in, kick back, sit down, and share your virtual experiences of the Nürburgring Nordschleife, dubbed the "Green Hell" by the eminent Sir Jackie Stewart. Welcome, welcome! Here are a few sites which may help expand your enjoyment of this demanding track: Two good overall sites: www.nurburgring.org.ukwww.heiser.net/documents/nurburgring/Maps: luuk.xs4all.nl/ring/www.bremo.nl/pdf/nordschleife.pdfAnd some nice photographs: perso.wanadoo.fr/olivier.jacquet/Historique%20sommaire%20E.htmFinally, here's a direct link to a list of the bend names: www.nurburgring.org.uk/bendnames/index.html--- For sweetest things turn sourest by their deeds: Lilies that fester smell far worse than weeds. From: Amarynceus | Posted: 10/19/2005 9:17:29 PM | Message Detail There are now 3 weekly activities that we conduct here at the Diary; the Weekend Rider™ (WR™), Budget Rider™ (BR™), and our newest institution, the Racecar Rider™ (RR™). The Weekend Rider™ is the oldest. In this one person (generally chosen by the last to have the pick) picks a car that they think will be amusing, enlightening, joyful, aggravating, or fun for the other Diary readers. The pick is announced sometime on Friday, preferably before too late. For the rest of the weekend, we share our experiences, be they positive or negative, with our fellow 'Ringers. Lap times are not of the utmost importance, though we do share them, compare them, and try if we can to come closest to the best. It is not a competition! Though at times it may seem that way, it really isn't. What is important is how you achieve your lap times. The WR™ is run stock, on the tyres it comes on, with an oil change permitted. It should be a street car and comply with the noise regulations of the real Nürburgring -- i.e. stock exhaust. Also, it should be buyable or, if winnable, easily winnable. (No gold license prizes, mission prizes or Endurance/Extreme Hall prizes, thank you very much.) You may use the driving aids if you so desire, but most of us run them with all aids off. The BR™ is the middle sibling; in this, someone (basically the first person to think up an idea for the week) announces around Monday a set of rules, consisting in a budget of some form, and restrictions on permissible modifications and allowed cars. Then we all go out, blow money, and share the results. The RR™ is the newest addition; for this someone selects one of the Race Cars available, announces it on Wednesday, and we all take it for a spin. Cars are run as-is with an oil change, and you may tweak the tunable bits if you want. As of yet we have no protocol for choosing the chooser of the RR™. Ask, and ye may receive. --- For sweetest things turn sourest by their deeds: Lilies that fester smell far worse than weeds. From: Amarynceus | Posted: 10/19/2005 9:18:05 PM | Message Detail Here is a mostly complete list of previous WR™s and RR™s: WR™s: Lancia Stratos '73 Aston Martin DB9 '03 BMW M5 '05 Holden Monaro CV8 '04 BMW Z4 '03 Chevrolet Corvette Stingray L46 350 (C3) '69 Renault Clio Sport V6 Ford F150 Lightning Jaguar S-Type R '02 RUF BTR '86 NISMO Fairlady Z S-tune concept '02 Lotus Esprit Turbo HC '87 Chrysler 300C '05 Seat Ibiza Cupra '04 Jaguar E-Type Coupe '61 Audi TT 3.2 '03 Hommel Berlinette R/S '99 Ford GT '05 Mazda 110S (L10B) '68 Audi Quattro '82 Cadillac Cien '02 Nissan 350Z Gran Turismo 4 Limited Edition (Z33) '05 AC 427 S/C '66 Spyker C8 Laviolette '01 Caterham Seven Fire Blade '02 Nissan Skyline GT-R (R32) '89 Mazda6 5-door '03 Buick Special '62 Opel Speedster Turbo '00 Proto Motors Spirra 4.6 V8 '04 RR™s: RE Amemiya AMEMIYA ASPARADRINK RX7 (JGTC) '04 BMW 320i Touring Car '03 Chevrolet Corvette C5R (C5) '00 Audi Abt TT-R Touring Car '02 Chapparal 2J Racecar '70 Toyota SUPERAUTOBACS APEX MR-S '00 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C2) Race Car '63 Ford GT40 Race Car '69 Lancia Delta S4 Rally Car '85 Honda S800 RSC Race Car '68 Jaguar XJR-9 Race Car '88 Subaru Impreza Super Touring Car --- For sweetest things turn sourest by their deeds: Lilies that fester smell far worse than weeds. From: oldguy1957 | Posted: 10/19/2005 10:26:27 PM | Message Detail (see my last post in volume X if you want this to make sense) I test drove two of Sacked's Miatas to get some experimental results of my RTP. '97 Miata Lap time: 8'55.751 RTP: 72 '89 Miata Lap time: 8'59.718 RTP: 68 So, even though the '97 had a better top speed (by about 4 mph) and faster lap times, the '89 made better use of its power. Am I boring everyone with this, or do at least some of you find it as interesting as I do? Welcome, BTW, to any newcomers to The Diaries. The more, the merrier!! This will be my third volume of participation, now. I think that almost qualifies me as a veteran. Maybe semi-veteran... --- The best laid plans of mice and men, often go astray. From: viperinthegrass | Posted: 10/20/2005 2:33:46 AM | Message Detail Keep it going I for one am very interested in this sort of stuff. In fact I have been considering asking if there are any Maths people out there who could work out if there is a formula you could use to help with setting up? What I mean is, given the weight per wheel of a car if we could work out the stroke, could you calculate how much spring rate / damping to use for any given ride height? I have noticed that if you want to reduce the downforce to achieve a better top speed, reducing the rear approx. 1.5 times the front keeps the downforce even though reduced. Just a thought, Bye for now From: MrPinstripes | Posted: 10/20/2005 3:32:52 AM | Message Detail Oni- Since your BR idea (build a non-GT4 car) was largely ignored, I think you should re-post it for next week. I thought it was a great idea. You might want to just forego the "budget" half of the BR altogether, since some cars may need more cash than others. I don't know why, but every time you post a lap time my brain says "MUST DEFEAT DRIFTY-GUY!" and I hit the 'Ring to try and show you up. Nobody else gets this reaction, even people who are consistently faster than me. ViperIG- I have a formula that I use to calculate "correct" spring rates, but the dampers are more a matter of personal preference. I won't post it here (since it's three full posts long), but if you're interested, I'll start a thread. --- "It kills my brain to think of all the time I've wasted here..." Oingo Boingo, Change Pics- photobucket.com/albums/a346/MrPinstripes/From: wanderingmuse22 | Posted: 10/20/2005 4:38:53 AM | Message Detail There's a formula for that? I either add a number to the spring weight figure, or I multiply a number by the spring weight figure. I go by my gut as to which to choose. I've never known if it was right though, and have since given up putting racing suspensions into cars. If a car had a racecar version, I would very often look to it as a guide. Or, if it was FR, I'd start at PD's "14.2 in front of 12.8" and work my way down. I posted it at the end of ten but I'll repeat myself here: laptimes may be the measure of a race car, but they have little to do with what makes a production car fun on the 'Ring. That's my suggested "Surgeon General's Warning" for the RTP figure. Y'all have a blessed day. --- For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Matthew 24:27 From: Onikaze | Posted: 10/20/2005 5:31:27 AM | Message Detail Attention: I have found a car that I just can't overlook. I am sure it will be a surprise when I pick it. It goes from being a wild, nigh uncontrollable drift beast on N1's, to a superbly controlled corner carver on S2's. 8'31 N1's 7'51 S2's Room for improvement on both, lots of depth to this car. So, those of you who figured out the Lotus Elise Type 72 '01, give yourselves a cookie, I made it a little too easy, and it is a very fun car, but it's too obvious for me. --- If I wanted to play as a girly and whiny emo guy I'd play one of the single player FF games.BlackBladeRune on MGS2 From: oldguy1957 | Posted: 10/20/2005 7:16:51 AM | Message Detail Muse--Be careful what you ask for. Mr. P's formula for suspension setting is fairly simple once you understand it, but as he says, it takes three full posts to explain it. And be warned, he's a mathematician. So, what seems simple to him is sometimes over the head of us mortals. As to my RTP ratings, I never intended it to be a determination of a fun-factor. Some of the funnest cars aren't really all that fast, even for their weight class. It's more of an efficiency rating. A determination of how much effort the engineers put into making it accelerate and corner well. I agree that it should separate the men from the boys better with race cars than production cars. For production cars, it will be more of just a side-note, as opposed to a determining factor as to whether it is a "good car", or not. I want to put much more time in on playing with my new toy, but it will have to wait. I'll be out of town for a couple days. My son-in-law bought into a new and struggling private technical college in Minneapolis (http://www.midwestcareers.org/) and now has 50% ownership of it. It is being grossly mismanaged and he wants me to move there (from Duluth) and take over administrative management of it. I'm driving down there today and tomorrow to have a look at the (financial) books and many other things to see if I think I can resurrect it. It might be fun. It might be more than I'm willing to take on. I'll see. I'll be back in time to check out Oni's WR this weekend. Peace, out. --- The best laid plans of mice and men, often go astray. From: Deity42 | Posted: 10/20/2005 7:26:32 AM | Message Detail Are all those series really trademarked? |
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Post by vitg on Aug 6, 2007 2:26:08 GMT -5
From : Viperinthegrass Just a quick post if anyone is about, Nice pictures from the Motor Show on at Sydney at the moment, carsguide.news.com.au/aims/Check out the Holden ShowCar, a sort of Dick Tracy meets Sin City thing. There is also Indy Car race on at Surfers Paradise today ( Sunday Arvo now!) Page 2 of 5 | Next Page | Last Page The Nurburgring Diary: Volume XI From: sackedagain | Posted: 10/20/2005 7:30:22 AM | Message Detail Oldguy, thanks for your tests on the 89 and 97. I admit I had some hope, based on our similar age, that we would be competitive time-wise. Alas, I remain, relatively slow. In the '89, my best time is 9:08. And, in my Chaste White 1997, my best time is 8:59. From: Onikaze | Posted: 10/20/2005 8:47:28 AM | Message Detail Another hint: Noone has chosen one of these cars for a WR, and it's Japanese, but it's not what you're expecting me to pick. --- If I wanted to play as a girly and whiny emo guy I'd play one of the single player FF games.BlackBladeRune on MGS2 From: Von | Posted: 10/20/2005 11:17:25 AM | Message Detail OMG Oni IS GONNA PICK A SKYLINE! If oldguy has been here for 3 volumes, and hes almost a veteran, then being here for 7 must make me a fossil. Oni and Sacked must be solidified primordial ooze or something. --- Tiny subaru versus gigantic german deathring!-Amarynceus From: viperx2002 | Posted: 10/20/2005 11:27:47 AM | Message Detail Anything is possible... even Oni picking a skylin- *bursts into laughter* I can't even say it without laughing. --- "The greatest burden is great potential" - Charles M. Schulz From: sackedagain | Posted: 10/20/2005 11:43:02 AM | Message Detail Actually, the doctor prescribed something that pretty much eliminates that solidified primordial ooze problem... From: CocaineReaver2k | Posted: 10/20/2005 1:22:43 PM | Message Detail MrPinStripes... I think it's safe to say you've got me beat. I can't seem to run a lap well enough to stay 2 seconds ahead of my ghost. It sucks. I'll try a few more times, but after that, I give up. I'm thinking of testing some TVRs, Aston Martins, and BMWs later. --- My GT4 Pictures: pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/slinky25252/album?.dir=/9bfd&.src=phFrom: viperinthegrass | Posted: 10/20/2005 4:23:51 PM | Message Detail Mr. Pinstripes - I would be interested in your set up posts as I am always keen to learn, especially things of a technical nature. It is not something I would apply to Ringing very often as I feel I am becoming proficient at adapting to whatever Car is on offer. Having said that some of the BR™ Cars require tuning as part of the assignment, and it would be good to have a logical base to start from. Thank you. From: fed76 | Posted: 10/20/2005 4:43:52 PM | Message Detail Just had to check in to see what that RR was, for some reasone I thought it was that Auidi TT tourer, Good thing that I checked.Actually had to go back to the last diary. I did try some laps with Onis first RR the 72, and looking at my records BL was 8:26.536. Well off to the Imprezza tourer and have no Idea and havnt tried to figure the new WR. Could it be a SKYLINE. --- GT4 100% complete, 100% win ratio From: Amarynceus | Posted: 10/20/2005 6:48:39 PM | Message Detail Deity42 -- no, they're not really trademarked. It's more of a tiny jokelet. I think the " ™ " appeared around when it appeared with Oni's "Suck Less™" quip. --- For sweetest things turn sourest by their deeds: Lilies that fester smell far worse than weeds. From: Soulidarity | Posted: 10/20/2005 6:51:11 PM | Message Detail Oh fine!! I finally guess the WR beforehand (albeit a pretty obvious WR pick), and we go and switch er up at the last second. I see how this works!  | Page 3 of 5 | Next Page | Last Page The Nurburgring Diary: Volume XI From: Amarynceus | Posted: 10/20/2005 6:53:20 PM | Message Detail Another hint: No one has chosen one of these cars for a WR, and it's Japanese, but it's not what you're expecting me to pick. We haven't had a Honda yet... --- For sweetest things turn sourest by their deeds: Lilies that fester smell far worse than weeds. From: ReturnOCheeze | Posted: 10/20/2005 7:03:56 PM | Message Detail I'm guessing S2000. also, i have to post this from Gfaqs b/c on GS i get a "Cannot post directly with new users" message and it wont post. any ideas? --- **Better Than Nothing** Casey Casper Races For The Heisman www.geocities.com/casperrfth/From: Onikaze | Posted: 10/20/2005 7:12:35 PM | Message Detail No clue on GS. A Skyline? Jesus Wept, what are you smoking man? Honda doesn't just make S2000's, they have NSX's too. I will say that there are more than 10 Seperate versions of this car in the game. --- If I wanted to play as a girly and whiny emo guy I'd play one of the single player FF games.BlackBladeRune on MGS2 From: ReturnOCheeze | Posted: 10/20/2005 7:19:19 PM | Message Detail dear sweet god in heaven, not the NSX, please! --- **Better Than Nothing** Casey Casper Races For The Heisman www.geocities.com/casperrfth/From: wanderingmuse22 | Posted: 10/20/2005 7:49:05 PM | Message Detail MrPinstripes, have you posted your tuning theory on gtplanet? If not, would you? That way it'll stick around longer, and you could link to it here. But then, I'm being selfish. As for Oni's clues- omitting preexisting guesses, I'd say it's a Mazda RX-7, Mitsubishi Evo or a Subaru Impreza. We've had a Skyline WR (Godzilla, and noone got hurt), so no matter what anyone was smoking, it doesn't fit the clues. My guess is one of the RX-7's. Oldguy, good luck with the school. There's too many people in this world that need a chance for any school not to be succesful (with the right folks at the helm). Completely unrelated, are you a Gopher fan? As for the Miata Club, mine is the '95 VR Limited in "Combination A Artvin Red Mica". I'd say it's Maroon, and "Maroon is All That Matters". (whoever gets that reference gets a cowbell salute from me) Peace. --- For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Matthew 24:27 From: ciscrack | Posted: 10/20/2005 7:56:05 PM | Message Detail I'm wondering if Oni's car might be a Silvia. Or an RX-7. --- Hey! Pancho stole my ******* whiskey photobucket.com/albums/a282/ciscrack/?sc=1From: wanderingmuse22 | Posted: 10/20/2005 9:17:35 PM | Message Detail Whether or not the WR is or isn't a Honda S2000, they are a delight to drive, to whomever hasn't tried one on the 'Ring yet. In fact, the Opera S2000 racecar would be a magnificent RR if anyone were ever so inclined- it comes on S3's, but you'd swear they were slicks. I ran a lap with my Miata on N2's. I don't like N2's, so I may abandon that approach (due to my own impatience). However, I did enjoy the feel of the car, and I liked the idea of my lap times being representative of real times, so we'll see. I can see this as being an ongoing "hobby" car that I pick up occasionally (indefinitely) rather than one I focus on briefly and discard. There's a catching psychology at work when driving for simulation, a bit of character in the laps, perhaps? It's funny to me that "catching psychology" and "ring psychology" are exactly the same thing, but neither has to do with driving, though one is distinctly more European than the other (if not flat out German). It's a matter of telling stories without words. I couldn't digress more senselessly if I tried, but kudos to the wrestling fan who gets it. Back to the game and almost the topic- would the Elise Type 72 (or the Elan, or the Motorsport Elise, or whichever you say the best is) be superior or inferior to the best BMW (be it the M5, or M3 CSL, Z4, 2002, 3300, your choice) in terms of pure handling? It doesn't matter which model. If you pick which you think is the best for each, and disregard the power variables, the question is this: Which handles better- the best Lotus, or the best BMW? --- For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Matthew 24:27 From: viperinthegrass | Posted: 10/20/2005 9:33:47 PM | Message Detail WR™ Lotus Elise Type 72 A quick lunchtime post ( could'nt resist ) Another fun low powered Car, I had a great time slipping and sliding around ( but in a safe and responsible manner of course ). So far best time of 8 ' 38 . 447 with the following highlights : Full on powerslide @ 170 Km/ hr on landing at Flugplatz ( I survived ) 215 Km/ hr entry & 197 Km exit @ Schwedenkreuz ( I have you now Oni Wan, muah ha ha ) ( I survived ) Powerslide @ 190 Km/ hr exiting Klosterkal and a really fun drift through the corners before and after Wipperman. Very nice pick Oni, thank you very much. Much more later, Bye From: Onikaze | Posted: 10/20/2005 10:19:55 PM | Message Detail What? We had a Skyline WR? Well crap, It wasn't listed in the list. So this has less of an impact, except that it's coming from me. Nissan Skyline GT-R R34 V-Spec II Nur '02 is my WR™ pick. V-Spec II Nur, for short. What can I say, it's the first Skyline I've driven and loved...it and it's M-Spec cousin rock. --- |
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Post by vitg on Aug 6, 2007 2:29:29 GMT -5
From: CocaineReaver2k | Posted: 10/21/2005 3:49:29 AM | Message Detail lol...... a two car WR™. Sounds fun. Personally the Skyline is teh mehhz0rz on the track, but N's should help loosen it up some more. --- My GT4 Pictures: pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/slinky25252/album?.dir=/9bfd&.src=phJump to Page: Page 4 of 5 | Last Page The Nurburgring Diary: Volume XI From: viperx2002 | Posted: 10/21/2005 4:59:33 AM | Message Detail There's a first time for everything I guess... --- "The greatest burden is great potential" - Charles M. Schulz From: Onikaze | Posted: 10/21/2005 5:24:38 AM | Message Detail No, the first car was a psych out. The Nur is well set up for the track, S2's make it a grip monster, N1's make it virtually impossible not to put it into 4 wheel drifts every turn. --- If I wanted to play as a girly and whiny emo guy I'd play one of the single player FF games.BlackBladeRune on MGS2 From: Flibutz | Posted: 10/21/2005 5:53:02 AM | Message Detail Wow, a lot has happened since I last posted, and that was only two days ago.. I tried 4(!) of the MX-5/Miatas out. They were so much fun, and it is a relaxing car after more hair-raising experiences with faster rides. I liked the 1.6liter versions more but 1.8s were great too. There is just a little more understeer to be found in the heavier versions. Actually, I'm planning on tuning one of the MX-5s (preferably 1.6l) but I want a 10km special for it and I've yet to find one. There are 11 MX-5s in the PAL version, 7 of which are '89-'97 models. The S-Special is 20kg heavier than other 1.8l versions. All of the cars got an oil change and a viagra, none were 10km specials. Laptimes in the order I drove them: '91 J-Limited - oops, didn't record exact time. 9'00.xxx '95 S-Special Type I (J) - 8'51.874 '97 SR-Limited (J) - 8'48.215 '89 - 8'52.910 I drove each car for two laps, except for the '89 which I drove for three laps. The J-Limited isn't as bad as it looks, I clearly hadn't gotten used to the cars yet. the S-Special actually felt more sluggish than the SR-lim, at least I think so. Probably not that much slower anyway. I also got the R8 down to 5'18.646. I'm determined to try and do just a little better in the future, but it's frustratingly twitchy with R5s. I drove the the TVR Tuscan Speed Six, too. I got it down to 7'28.xxx. it was faster than my BTR record (7'28.851) so I decided to take the BTR out again. Since there's a "beat Oni's times" challenge going on, or there was in the last volume, it seemed appropriate. Many laps and disasters later, I clocked a 7'22.579. Yay! Awesome replay came as an added bonus. The WR sounds fun, No problem that we've had a Skyline before. It was 13 years older and a different car. Needless to say, I'm surprised that Oni, of all people, picked it. More on the WR after I get a chance to drive it. Later! --- Flibutz of the Flippendales - The Flying Finn of the Gamefaqs GT4 board. From: wanderingmuse22 | Posted: 10/21/2005 5:55:32 AM | Message Detail I love the V Spec II Nur. It's the car that compared favorably with the M3 (regular) on the weekend there was no WR (even though the two handled differently, the lap times were similar). Viperinthegrass picked a Skyline a while back, but one of the older ones ('89, it is on the new list now, and it was called Godzilla). Those who participated might notice the lively difference between the two. Regardless, it's an excellent choice, and an excellent ride. But then, I'm the guy who found a way to like the CTR2, and Skyline haters are a difficult lot to sway. Peace. --- For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Matthew 24:27 From: wanderingmuse22 | Posted: 10/21/2005 6:05:06 AM | Message Detail Flibutz, would you do me a huge favor and also try the RGT, and post your lap time? MrPinstripes and I had a comparison going between the Tuscan 6 and the RGT, and ended in a draw (the conclusion being that driver skill was the only thing separating the two), and if you posted your RGT time, it would test that theory. I thank you for your time, in advance, should you choose too. If not, don't worry about it, I'm simply curious. Y'all have a great Friday. --- For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Matthew 24:27 From: sackedagain | Posted: 10/21/2005 8:17:13 AM | Message Detail The trademark joke goes back to the first Weekend Rider. My memory is fuzzy on who popped it on. But I remember someone explaining to me how to format the TM. Unfortunately, I have forgotten the code and until this moment have been embarrassed to ask for it again. From: wanderingmuse22 | Posted: 10/21/2005 8:21:17 AM | Message Detail *RGT on S2's, that is (all things being equal) Sackedagain, I never learned the code either, so if someone posts it, I too, will be thankful. --- For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Matthew 24:27 From: sackedagain | Posted: 10/21/2005 8:32:15 AM | Message Detail Great pictures of Adenauer Forst missteps on Ben Lovejoy's July trip report. www.nurburgring.org.uk/trip_reports/trip42/index.htmlcarsguide.news.com.au/aims/The RR is nice but for a 4wd car only takes one tire off at spead to lose it. An almost clean lap I pulled a 6:46:***. Havent went back to the old diary to compare times yet. I did use the WR for som races, dont remember which, and it was pretty good for a skiline as I recall. TTFN --- GT4 100% complete, 100% win ratio From: Onikaze | Posted: 10/21/2005 9:23:31 AM | Message Detail Alt+0153=™ The V-Spec and the M-Spec Nur are the first Skylines I've driven that I enjoyed, they feel like animals underneath you, and it's rather fun. Still ugly, but after seeing the GT-R official pictures, it looks pretty damn good by comparison. | Page 5 of 6 | Last Page The Nurburgring Diary: Volume XI From: viperinthegrass | Posted: 10/21/2005 9:32:06 AM | Message Detail G'day all, Special Project – My Journey to the Dark Side – Part 1 Psychiatric Help (5 cents) – The Doctor is IN VITG - “Doc you gotta help me, I think I have O.R.S !” Dr. Van Pelt - “ Ach so, Obsessive Ruf Syndrome, I have heard of zis, tell me vat are der symptoms”? VITG – “I have this compulsion to buy Ruf cars and drive them too fast at the Nürburgring, and I hear these voices in my head – “come over to the dark side, join us, you know you want to” and they tell me to buy N grade tyres and to turn off ASM and traction control and I think they want me to kill my father and ......” Dr. - “ Vas is this you are babbling? you are making no sense. Nurse! Nurse! schnell bring me the Thorazine, I can do nothing more he is a lost cause!! Well, he was no use, I guess I will have to try group therapy! So I bought a CTR2, BTR & RGT and as a first step on my journey did a few laps with each stock to get some baseline info. CTR2 in Gold ( I dont know what colour they call it, they wont say, but it looks lush ) This one drove like a typical unmodded 4WD, slow to turn and seemingly resistant to hanging the tail out, so I did what I normally do with these – finish braking early and resist the urge to power on too early out of turns ( more haste, less speed ).This worked quite well once I found the rhythm of the beast and after a couple of laps I managed a 7 ' 32 .424. I am sure I can do much better with more laps. BTR in Gunmetal Grey. This was much easier to drive and has loads of potential although my time after two laps ( 7 ' 39 . xxx ) wasnt that thrilling, but watching the replay I was surprised at how much and easily the car drifted with some monster powerslides, it looked awesome. I like it a lot. RGT in Puce ( hey, we are all allowed an off day! ) How can I put it? Effortless? This car seemed very stable and balanced and I think, of all of them, potentially the quickest? Do you want a bit of oversteer to help turn in? you got it, do you need to recover from overcooking the back end? Done. Do you need to recover from dropping a wheel in the grass? No problems. Of all of the Cars ( bearing in mind I only did two laps each ) I think the BTR is the “busiest” to drive but the most fun, the CTR2 is the hardest to drive but potentially very satisfying and the RGT possibly the quickest and easiest but least challenging. So that is it, my first steps to the Dark Side, I have the Ruf means to get there, I just need to be brave and take the final plunge. Thank you and good night. From: Onikaze | Posted: 10/21/2005 11:21:59 AM | Message Detail CTR > BTR > RGT > CTR2 > 3400S The CTR2 would be above the BTR if they had remembered to hook up the steering in game. The BTR is REALLY fast, almost M5 fast, and SO fun to drift. Baby Blue. SO yeah, Skylines, what can I say, the R34 is growing on me, it doesn't look so bad in Black or Silver, and I took a V-Spec II Nur and made my own version of the Nismo Z-Tune, great drifters, Skylines on N1's or N2's. I think that is what got me, a car that would drift so nicely, four wheels smoking, and yet it grips so tenaciously on S2's that it will please the grippers. I will say, Skylines look much better when the tail is jumping all over the place smoking like crazy than they do sitting still. --- If I wanted to play as a girly and whiny emo guy I'd play one of the single player FF games.BlackBladeRune on MGS2 From: Von | Posted: 10/21/2005 2:37:47 PM | Message Detail Oni picked a skyline. Tis' a sign of the End of Days! RINGERS, CONFESS YOUR SINS AND PRAY TO THE ALMIGHTY RING'GOD FOR SALVATION! Seriously, I guessed it first. Everyone owes me a dollar. Skylines are fun to drive if you get the right ones. I can't say Ive ever driven a stock one though. I have to hook up the PS2 again. --- Tiny subaru versus gigantic german deathring!-Amarynceus |
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Post by vitg on Aug 6, 2007 2:30:14 GMT -5
From: Von | Posted: 10/21/2005 6:17:57 PM | Message Detail Well, for my first time plying GT4 seriously in a couple of months, I glad I started on the VSpec Nur II. It is easy to drive, but it doesnt feel so fake like most of the other skylines Ive driven. On stock tires it grips through the corners like a true champ. Push it a little bit further, and the tires begin to cry as all four wheels pull you around the corner. On my first lap, a sedate 8'09.142, I mowed grass exactly twice, and never got intimate with armco. Im am going for my second lap now, I feel this car has alot of potential. I think I can get it into the 7'40's by the end of tonight, and if I werent so rusty, faster than that. --- Tiny subaru versus gigantic german deathring!-Amarynceus From: viperinthegrass | Posted: 10/21/2005 6:30:49 PM | Message Detail RR™ Subaru Super Touring Car I found I had one of these in my garage but cannot remember how I won it – I think it would be a good idea if the game diary noted what cars were used to win races or for free run times etc. Anyway, after eating a succulent Beef Vindaloo washed down with a couple of glasses of a very nice Shiraz Mourvedre, I was feeling very laid back and mellow and did not pay much attention to details as I changed the oil and set off. By the time I reached Flugplatz I was sitting bolt upright, had I made a mistake and used the wrong car? I even quit out of the lap to check and there it was – the Subaru is definitely a 4WD car – holy ****! but it sure does steer well. Fast car.Very Fast car. My main problem to start with was adapting to racing brakes again, quite often I felt as if I had nearly come to a dead stop as I was setting up for the corners.As I became more adventurous I started to tap the brakes, turn and mash the throttle then slight countersteer to hold my line with some nice controlled oversteer. It really grips well too, if the Elise is grippy, this car sticks like **** to a blanket. Fun car but blazingly quick as well. So far my best lap is only 6 ' 49 . 445 , but I feel there is more to come if I could just stop overbraking ! Nice pick. P.S. Made a mistake in my Elise post, only a 160km / hr exit from Klostertal, got mixed up with some of the Suby exit times ( so many cars to run, so few brain cells, oh well ). So that leaves the MX5 BR™ and the Nissan WR™ to do this weekend, hopefully I will get the chance tonight. If not I have a rostered day off Monday so can do them then. Adios Muchachos (my Spanish is about as good as my Latin !) From: MrPinstripes | Posted: 10/21/2005 6:33:21 PM | Message Detail Garrg! First my internet connection goes kaput (the company was dinking with something, and now I have a higher-speed connection), then Gamefaqs goes down. At least it was only for a bit. ---Personal News--- I saw an old Porsche 1600 at the gas station today (probably early 60's, from the pics I've found online). Damn, that's a sexy car! I thought about trying to trade my Civic for it, but my Jedi mind trick is a bit rusty. My copy of "Going Faster!" came in on Thursday, and I've been slowly picking away at it. Hopefully it will help my lap times a bit. I've considered truly studying a course/car combination (probably Cote d'Azur in some kind of roadster) and really trying to minimize my lap times. It will be a while before I feel I'm ready to tackle the 'Ring in that much detail. I now have Xbox Live, Forza Motorsport, and Project Gotham Racing 2 (it came free with the Live Starter Pack), but no cable to connect my Xbox to my internet. Silly lack of foresight. I've decided to start over again on Forza, so my beautiful Porsche Carrera and my rust-bucket Camaro will have to be rebuilt. Darn. ---General Announcements--- For everyone who is interested in my suspension tuning method- I'll try to post it tonight, but it may be tomorrow morning EST. There's a goodly sized chapter on car setup in Going Faster!, so my methodology might change a bit over the next few months. It shouldn't invalidate anything I currently have written, but it may change my approach a bit. It will definitely frustrate me to no end, since 3/4 of GT's settings are just arbitrary numbers, not real-world values. ---P2P Quips--- Muse- I haven't posted my formula on GTPlanet, mostly because I don't have an account there. Also, there have to be people more qualified to headline a tuning post than me, both from a skill and knowledge perspective. I think the best BMW (M3, pick a variant) fits my driving style more than the best Lotus (Elise, pick a current-gen variant). Thats not to say that I think the M3 is better, just I'm capable of getting more out of the car than I am with the Elise. Also, I haven't put in any time in the Elan. Sin of sins, I know, especially considering my love for old British roadsters. Come to think of it, I think I'll use that as my Cote d'Azur "perfecting" car. Oni- You certainly are a sneaky one, aren't you? Changing cars at the last second... again. Flibutz- Damn, man! That's the fastest BTR time I've seen yet. I don't know if I can improve on my 7'24.8 by much, let alone three seconds. Very nice! Now I'll have to try and one-up (or maybe just keep-up-with) you. Later, all. --- "It kills my brain to think of all the time I've wasted here..." Oingo Boingo, Change Pics- photobucket.com/albums/a346/MrPinstripes/From: wanderingmuse22 | Posted: 10/21/2005 6:50:03 PM | Message Detail My BTR is baby blue, with deep dish chrome rims from Ray's Engineering (Rays 021). I don't know if I'd put it before the RGT, though. However, I've not driven the BTR in a while, but presently my RGT times are better than my M5 times. You could say I have a crush on that car. One of the thick, underlying joys of this thread is growing. Returning to an old WR and posting a faster time is like standing with your back to the wall and marking a higher notch. Subtle progress is wonderful, even in videogames. Viperinthegrass, I love your RUF project. I hope the good doctor makes a return appearance. We all deserve a second chance, right? The CTR2 doesn't have the "lift throttle oversteer" that most prefer to step the back end out. It has "brake tap oversteer", and then it does ok (with a DS2, anyway). My "foot in mouth" time for the CTR2 is 7'25, but I haven't done it yet. My V Spec II is Silica Breath Metallic. The look is fine, but I couldn't resist the name. My first lap was a sloppy 7'51, but a fun 7'51, and I may take it out again later. My next goal is to learn to drive the Alpine A310 so that I can win the Alpine 110, because I love the look of it, and I want saved replay of the 110 on the 'Ring. Peace --- For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Matthew 24:27 From: wanderingmuse22 | Posted: 10/21/2005 8:13:14 PM | Message Detail MrPinstripes- your writing and driving are excellent. That makes you qualified to post anything about GT4 on any forum, and that makes us lucky to be able to read it. I decided it was not worth it to learn to drive the Alpine A310. However, it is worth it spend 30 grand on a turbo and racing slicks to B-Spec the Alpine cup. The Alpine A110 1600S is very close to the Hommel Berlinette in the dubious honor of being the best French car in the game. Where the A310 has enough oversteer to kill an elephant, the A110 is quick, and a fun little RR car. It also has near perfect top end gearing for the 'Ring, as revs only max out in the downhill bit after Dottingher Hohe (tuning theory being that the gearbox should be as wide as the longest straight). The A110 is one of the only RR cars to come on S2's, a fact which surprised me after my initial run, as it has some serious grip and grip potential, in that lovely RR driftish way. My current best lap is 8'37, and I'd like to try and get it below 8'30. Not bad for 140hp on S2's. If there were specs for a '73 Porsche 911, the Alpine A110 is the car I'd suggest for Oni's tribute BR of creating cars that were left out of GT4. It may not sound right: using a French platform to duplicate a Porsche. But, it's a 715kg RR car with decent aerodynamics that's fun to drive, and I'd say that fits the bill. --- For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Matthew 24:27 From: Amarynceus | Posted: 10/22/2005 2:58:35 AM | Message Detail Sackedagain, thanks for the link to Lovejoy's trip report! That was a great little read. --- For sweetest things turn sourest by their deeds: Lilies that fester smell far worse than weeds. From: Flibutz | Posted: 10/22/2005 3:33:48 AM | Message Detail muse - Somehow, I thought it was the BTR you guys were comparing the Tuscan to.. I ran the RGT this morning, and, well, I'll just quote VITG: RGT How can I put it? Effortless? This car seemed very stable and balanced and I think, of all of them, potentially the quickest? Do you want a bit of oversteer to help turn in? you got it, do you need to recover from overcooking the back end? Done. Do you need to recover from dropping a wheel in the grass? No problems. The handling is like a decaf version of the BTR. It has the same character, but milder so its potential is easier to realize. One of the best handling car in the game IMO. I ran only two full laps plus a few restarted ones, but the RGT is so nice I think I got as good a lap as with BTR, maybe even better. Laptime was 7'18.192. And that was faster than my old best with the Middlefingerbird, so I guess the RUF madness will continue. WR: The Skyline is so much better than I ever thought it could be. It doesn't only turn, it turns well and responds to throttle controlling. And 350hp is a nice dose. First lap (restarted once) was 7'43.382. That was clean and nice. I'm sure I can go faster but it was exceptionally good for first lap. That tells me the Skyline is very well balanced. --- Flibutz of the Flippendales - The Flying Finn of the Gamefaqs GT4 board. Page 6 of 7 | Last Page The Nurburgring Diary: Volume XI From: Onikaze | Posted: 10/22/2005 6:09:18 AM | Message Detail Believe me, if I pick a Skyline, I'm gonna pick a good Skyline. I like how mashing the throttle tightens the cornering up. --- If I wanted to play as a girly and whiny emo guy I'd play one of the single player FF games.BlackBladeRune on MGS2 From: ciscrack | Posted: 10/22/2005 8:24:32 AM | Message Detail Oni- Nice pick for the WR. I don't do a lot of drifting, I honestly haven't really tried much, but the first lap with this beast I was sliding all over the track. Although I have a long way to go to build skills like yours', this skyline is a great learning tool. I can't claim any times' close to everybody else since I was mostly just messin' around with drifting physics. My best time was 9'20, but I crashed a couple times trying to drift beyond my skill level. Happy weekend y'all! --- Hey! Pancho stole my ******* whiskey photobucket.com/albums/a282/ciscrack/?sc=1From: wanderingmuse22 | Posted: 10/22/2005 4:12:12 PM | Message Detail I'll put the Alpine A110 to bed with this- it taught me left foot braking on high speed bends, finished up an 8'27 car, and absolutely on my top 25 list. It's been a quiet day on the board, but a beautiful day outside and a great day for watching football. I hope all is well wherever y'all are. Peace. --- For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Matthew 24:27 |
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Post by vitg on Aug 6, 2007 19:20:54 GMT -5
From: Onikaze | Posted: 10/22/2005 5:46:27 PM | Message Detail I highly recommend that everyone who got a Skyline 'Derestrict' it. The engine in the Nur cars was a detuned GT-500 engine I believe. Get a Racing Chip, Racing Exhaust, Sports Intercooler, and Stage 1 Turbo and it will make the 450 Hp that the Engine would have made if they hadn't tuned it down. It really brings out the character that makes me love this car more than any other 4 Wheel Drive car I've driven yet. It sticks too well with just the 350 or so stock Horsepower, so getting the tires to smoke takes some harsh treatment. Slap that stuff on it though, put on N1 tires, and man the tail just comes alive. Yeah, I said it, I love the R34 V-spec II and M-Spec Nur cars. They look kind of cool in Black. --- If I wanted to play as a girly and whiny emo guy I'd play one of the single player FF games.BlackBladeRune on MGS2 From: Von | Posted: 10/22/2005 6:06:25 PM | Message Detail Now that I think of it, I forgot to turn off driving aids... I feel like an idiot, Ill bet the car is loads faster without em. --- Tiny subaru versus gigantic german deathring!-Amarynceus From: fed76 | Posted: 10/22/2005 7:33:33 PM | Message Detail Muse, Oni and all, just putting something in before bedtime, wanted to know who on the diary uses a controler and who uses a wheel. Its my birthday soon and the wife has hinted that I'm getting a wheel and I'm woried that I'll have to start again. that is GT4 try # 3.Comments and Concerns welcome --- GT4 100% complete, 100% win ratio From: oldguy1957 | Posted: 10/22/2005 7:47:37 PM | Message Detail I finally got some time to play with Oni's Skyline. Out of the box it is definitely a gripper. I didn't see the post with the suggested mods until I had already put some laps on it stock, so I may go back and give it another try. The car certainly feels like it could easily handle another 100 hp without giving it any problems. I doubt I'll be slapping any N1's on it, though. N1's + 450 hp = A ride too scary for an old guy!! Stock, it turned in a 7'47, with a RTP rating of 102. I'll have to see what the extra hp does to the RTP. Muse--To answer your question about the Gophers, I'd have to say I'm probably what is considered a "fair-weather fan". If the football or basketball team is doing well, I follow them closely. Otherwise, not. Hockey, which is really their best sport, I'm not really into (although my son is...but just pro). I'm much more into pro sports, too. The Vikings (even though they suck this year) and Timberwolves (who sucked last year) hold my attention more easily than the Gophers. Wow. That was one of the more incomprehensible paragraphs I've written in a while. Just tired, I guess. After going down to check out the school I wrote about in a post a few days ago, my step-daughter, her husband, my granddaughter (10 months) and my mother-in-law (here visiting from the Ukraine and speaks no English) all decided to spend the weekend here, so it's been a bit of a zoo. I love them all very much, but all at once is a bit much. Peace, out. --- The best laid plans of mice and men, often go astray. From: Soulidarity | Posted: 10/22/2005 7:59:02 PM | Message Detail fed, I think a lot of the vets here use the DFP wheel. I use the DS2 controller, as I refuse to burn that kind of money on the wheel. --- Currently working on FFX: Tidus SCC, preparing for Chocobo Eater. Gran Turismo 4 is on hold From: fed76 | Posted: 10/22/2005 8:14:20 PM | Message Detail Thanks, solude, So, do you think the wheel could make a guy faster, I mean take off faster after trailbreaking, pick a speed after a turn etc... Just seems to me that if a guy masters the wheal or at least gets comfortable with one the lap times must go down.  ? At work today I looked on the net for a good sight to find cheep cars in my province and I'm very impressed for what Alberta has to offer. RX7,s 300ZX's 350'z,s Mustangs, Porche, and lots of other goodies. Still trying to talk the Wife into a cheap Porche after the 2005 focus we just bought. (very bland focus) From: fed76 | Posted: 10/22/2005 8:16:32 PM | Message Detail PS, even found a right handed or wrong sided SKYLINE in Edmonton. --- GT4 100% complete, 100% win ratio From: Soulidarity | Posted: 10/22/2005 8:36:19 PM | Message Detail I would imagine that the wheel would be very beneficial to your racing skill. From what others have said in the past, there's a learning curve involved with switching over to the wheel, and you'll likely be terrible with it at first. But I know that my turning with the DS2 tends to be very jerky, something that the wheel would almost certainly clean up. Throttle control would be made much more reliable than trying to find just the right pressure on a pressure sensitive button. From: fed76 | Posted: 10/22/2005 8:48:23 PM | Message Detail Well, I stiil am terrified, I agrea that the wheel is going to slow me I'm however very hopefull that like you said pressure sensitivity could make all the difference.Currently thats the biggest thing keaping my lap times off Onis and whoever or at least thats what I beleive. Realy though Lap times are less as much the issue as the fact that I can actually enjoy driving aRUF now compaired to never touvhing them like when I was a ring virgin. Also before I forget, someone posted the Ring pictures not long ago and thanks, even thouhg the work computer took like 20 minutes to download all the pctures iit was worth it. --- GT4 100% complete, 100% win ratio From: ciscrack | Posted: 10/22/2005 8:59:59 PM | Message Detail I DS2 it. Don't have any plans of getting a wheel, too pricey. Oldguy- put N1's on it and take it for a spin. If you're scared of trying it at 450hp, add one mod at a time to see where your breaking point is. I'm gonna take it for a spin with Oni's mods right now, so we'll see if I have to downgrade slightly. My testing earlier did make me desire more speed for some of the turns. On a side note- did anyone notice that the highest hp any of the Skylines' at the dealership has is 276hp, but when you buy one, your garage says it's much higher. It's funny PD stuck to that rule. --- Hey! Pancho stole my ******* whiskey photobucket.com/albums/a282/ciscrack/?sc=1From: fed76 | Posted: 10/22/2005 9:04:47 PM | Message Detail 276, isnt tha also what the RX7's have, and the mustangs have, I've woundered about that myself. Rotary, 5L. What is that all about. --- GT4 100% complete, 100% win rati From: Soulidarity | Posted: 10/22/2005 9:07:09 PM | Message Detail 276 is some kind of agreed upon max hp that japanese automakers will make their street legal cars. I don't really know how it came about or why they decided to limit hp so much, but I'm sure someone else with more knowledge will be happy to chime in on the subject. --- Currently working on FFX: Tidus SCC, preparing for Chocobo Eater. Gran Turismo 4 is on hold From: viperinthegrass | Posted: 10/22/2005 9:12:28 PM | Message Detail Just a quick post if anyone is about gotta go out. Nice pictures from the Motor Show on at Sydney at the moment, carsguide.news.com.au/aims/Check out the Holden ShowCar, a sort of Dick Tracy meets Sin City thing. There is also Indy Car race on at Surfers Paradise today ( Sunday Arvo now!) WR™ Last night I did two laps in the Nissan, stock, started at 7'59 .049 down to 7'53 .509 sofar. Then switched to N2's for one lap, 8'14 .743 ( Oni do you switch off driver aids as well or is all about the tyres)? I then realised I had been driving the wrong Car! ( the other Nur Nissan )so I will have to redo it, I hope the other one is as much fun as this one. I have not started on the MX5 BR™ yet, later tonight I think. I am sure there are other ex weekend hippies like me out there, so can I recommend a couple of Pink Floyd albums? "Obscured by Clouds" (soundrack from the Film "La Vallee") and "Meddle" The music suits the top down relaxed pace of these cars but there are enough David Gilmour solo's if you are feeling frisky. From: Amarynceus | Posted: 10/22/2005 9:16:48 PM | Message Detail I use a DS2, but wish I had a wheel. I remember when Onikaze got his, he said something to the effect that "anything that turns driving a stock Miata around Tsukuba a challenge is a good thing" or words to that end. So if you can get one, I say go for it. The main difference, from what I've read around here, is that it improves consistency. I know I, like Soulidarity, have issues sometimes with turning correctly. I've refined my touch considerably but some things are a real pain that would be a lot easier with a wheel. Long open sweepers, for example, like the climb out of Bergwerk to the Mutkurve. I have to make constant tiny taps most of the time because holding such a small steering angle is difficult with the DS2. --- For sweetest things turn sourest by their deeds: Lilies that fester smell far worse than weeds. From: Onikaze | Posted: 10/22/2005 9:18:43 PM | Message Detail I never drive anything with Aids they make me unhappy. 446 Hp or so, N1 Tires, Attessa, and Black Nismo Rims obscured by tire smoke. It's nice. I use the DFP, it made me a little slower right off the bat, but I am SO consistent now, you can put the car exactly where you want with the wheel, you can feel when you lose traction, you can give it just the right amount of throttle/brakes. It's awesome. Best toy I've ever bought. --- If I wanted to play as a girly and whiny emo guy I'd play one of the single player FF games.BlackBladeRune on MGS2 From: fed76 | Posted: 10/22/2005 9:21:03 PM | Message Detail WHere I am, in Alberta here, for 20,000 canadian $ I can get an 87 mercedes whatever, RX7, and older 300 zx.There is like I mentioned a couple of skiylines around but if everyone else is on the left wow would that be something to be the only one on the right side of hte car. Lotus Elise however is now in north america so for about 100 000 canadian $, (much more than I have) I could pick up something that car and driver said was the best handling car ever. Who cares. Actually on www.greatcardeals.com or something like that is where I found all these cool cars and I'm still impressed that just down the road and 10-15000 $ away is the RX7 or Supra I,ve dreamed about. From: fed76 | Posted: 10/22/2005 9:27:53 PM | Message Detail Oni, Solude Ameris, Thanks, for the input. If the wife decides on something else to buy me then I am so buying the wheel anyway. Thanks so much for hte input. October 31, 76, thats the day --- GT4 100% complete, 100% win ratio |
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Post by vitg on Aug 6, 2007 19:22:07 GMT -5
From: oldguy1957 | Posted: 10/22/2005 9:36:00 PM | Message Detail Having never used anything BUT the DFP wheel, I can't really make a comparison. But I can't imagine that you could be nearly as precise using a controller. With the wheel, I can choose exactly where I want to run...catching a little of the curbing, all of it, or even dropping a wheel just over the curb to catch a little grass. I also find the force feed-back essential to feeling when a car starts to drift...the exact moment the back-end starts to step out. Speaking of that, I just tried Oni's suggested upgrades. I was awed by the difference the extra hp made! It seemed that it gripped even better than with the stock hp, and yet made the back come out, under braking and continueing under full power through the sweeping turns, absolutely perfectly so that I was actually holding the wheel straight as the back continued to slide just that little bit to keep it turning. It would be a crime to put stickier tires on it. I haven't yet tried the N's, but I fully intend to. I have never driven a car that has a more comfortable feel while drifting. Even better than the 111R. I didn't feel that I had to feather the throttle to keep the drift the way I wanted it. It just did it all itself. It dropped my time down to 7'29 BTW. The guests are back, so I've got to go for now. --- The best laid plans of mice and men, often go astray. From: ciscrack | Posted: 10/22/2005 9:46:24 PM | Message Detail 276 hp-From what I've been told by my friend who's been to Japan several times, and has crated back cars from there, 276 is the max hp automakers are allowed to advertise them as. There doesn't have to be any proof that it really is only rated at 276, just advertised that way. He has a '97 Impreza WRX Sti type RA(ltd. ed 1/1000), right-hand drive, and it seems way faster than 276. --- Hey! Pancho stole my ******* whiskey photobucket.com/albums/a282/ciscrack/?sc=1From: fed76 | Posted: 10/22/2005 9:46:42 PM | Message Detail Its funny how the yellowbird, ie. Porche 911, or 944 or whatever it is so tuff to handle,(now you know whT i'm doing), yet I can bu y one so cheap used. Matbe the handling comes with a prcie, like the cheapest M3 I saw was like 50000, cheap canadians that is. --- GT4 100% complete, 100% win ratio From: fed76 | Posted: 10/22/2005 9:59:09 PM | Message Detail Ahh, the yellowbird. If I had all day to drive the ring then the Bird is the way to go. Wow, I can go really fast and at a really high speed, O, hold on theres a turn up there, hit the breaks lightly, hammer the ARMCO, hold the breaks, HAmmer the ARMCO, hit the breaks, Hammer the ARMCO. I must nead the wheel. This cant be a porche, better try the BTR. --- GT4 100% complete, 100% win From: wanderingmuse22 | Posted: 10/22/2005 10:51:47 PM | Message Detail Oldguy, thanks for answering, your paragraph made perfect sense to me. College hockey is a foreign and bizarre phenomenon for a Southerner, because it doesn't exist here. I'm a lifelong New Orleans Saint fan (soon to be a broken hearted Saint fan, as they're about to be a Katrina casualty moved west) who resents the Vikings for their multiple put outs of my beloved Saints in the playoffs. Sigh. Fed, I'm a DS2 guy, and much like Amarynceus, simply can't justify spending the money on the wheel. That, and part of my love for GT4 is rooted in being able to pick up a controller and drive or lap or two without having to commit a lot of time to play or without having to commit a lot space to hardware. So, I have a question. Those of you 'Ringers who are now documented as enjoying the V Spec II Nur, will you stop hating Skylines now? --- For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Matthew 24:27 From: viperx2002 | Posted: 10/23/2005 1:18:17 AM | Message Detail I will admit the first time I saw an R34 Skyline was in 2 Fast 2 Furious(it's harder to admit I saw the movie than to admit I love Skylines). It captivated me(on an aesthetic level not as a Japanese tuner car) There is something beautiful looking about the car(modified or not). My answer to people who claim they are ugly is that it seems those people should also call cars like the BMW M3 ugly. Both being large sedan looking things that should be transporting business people and not rocketing around a track at 150 miles an hour. That, however, is a large part of the appeal of both cars for me. --- "The greatest burden is great potential" - Charles M. Schulz From: Flibutz | Posted: 10/23/2005 3:23:02 AM | Message Detail I diagnosed myself as having an O.R.S., too. I had suspicions before, but last night the voices started. I was just about to take the Skyline for some more laps when it began. ..."forgot to hook the steering wheel"... I took the CTR2 out for the first time. I went to GT Auto, ordered an oil change and waited. ..."unsteer"... Strange words and sentences were circling around in my head. Well, off to the 'Ring I went. First lap was horrible. ..."finish braking early"... The voice was often too late for me to react. Couple of laps later the voices were losing theirs. "BRAKE, you tosser!" and "Didn't I tell you to keep off of that ******* throttle?!" were among the nicer things they said. In the end, after I managed a 7'18.489 the voices were satisfied and left me alone. While they were fading out I think I heard one of them whisper something like "You could have beat the RGT..." For the 4WD CTR2, I didn't use aids. For the RR RUFs I set the TCS@1. Just the Middlefingerbird and 3400S to go, I'm hoping for a breather with the symptoms after that. --------------------------------------------------------------------- WR: Such a nice car. Balanced, always under control and ready for anything the 'Ring throws at you. After driving the CTR2, it took several laps to get used to a car that steers. After I got used to it I clocked a 7'38.940 that will probably be my final best. Next, I'll go get some upgrades and some N tyres to find out more about the cars true nature. --------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm using a "DFP"... But its short for "Madcatz Dual Force Pro pad. I think the buttons are a little more precise than in standard DS2, plus it's BIGGER. A big plus because i have big hands and long fingers. When I was using a DS2, the first joint in my throttle thumb was often sore. That problem no more exists. --------------------------------------------------------------------- VITG - I think I fit the "ex-weekend hippie" description. Though I've never considered myself as a hippie, I've been called that and I like Pink Floyd. If you can find it, I'd recommend the finnish band Kingston Wall. The singing isn't spectacular but everything else pretty much is. Too bad they're not active anymore, and it's the common sad story. The guitarist/singer Petri Walli jumped off of a roof of a church at the age of 27 (on acid). They made three records called I, II and III. --------------------------------------------------------------------- ALT + 0153 = ™ what's wrong? --- Currently suffering from a bad case of O.R.S. From: oldguy1957 | Posted: 10/23/2005 7:07:05 AM | Message Detail For the ™, I just go to www.webmonkey.com, select "special characters" from the far right column, and then just copy and paste. Works easiest for an old guy that has trouble remembering complex (more than 2) key sequences. You can also just copy and paste from a previous post that has it. --- The best laid plans of mice and men, often go astray. From: wanderingmuse22 | Posted: 10/23/2005 7:17:01 AM | Message Detail Flibutz, you are fast. Like, really fast, voices or not. I can't wait to see your take on the 3400 (the sweet little sister of the RUFs). From: jwrebholz | Posted: 10/23/2005 7:57:05 AM | Message Detail I have driven a couple of the other R34 Skylines in this game, and I can't say I liked any of them. They, like most AWD cars in this game, had a relentless and stubborn tendency to understeer. This one seems different. It feels like the suspension was built to handle more power than it's making. There's a LOT of forgiveness in this chassis, something I wasn't expecting. While my first lap was an entirely too conservative 8:23, I quickly learned that I can push this Skyline a lot harder than the others I've driven. So I did. I chopped 17 seconds off that time in my second lap, down to an 8:06. On my third lap I hit 8:00 even, and then stayed right around there. I'm almost afraid to add the modifications Onikaze suggested, as I'm sure having that much more power will only drive my times UP, not down. I like the car just fine the way it is. --- I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that you're a moron. From: sackedagain | Posted: 10/23/2005 8:34:05 AM | Message Detail Driving the Oni-line got me thinking about how we drive these cars. I assume, for the most part, we are terrible test drivers. In the sense that we don't protect the car. We tend to test the limits of the car backwards..."oops, in aramco, better not do that again." To keep that test driver job, I'm guessing the boss might place a high priority on bringing the car around in one piece. Always on the edge. I feel that way alot. I've been poor and I've had some money. Poor, I tended to enjoy myself more, but disaster loomed around every corner. But with money, I've never been healthy--too bad you have to work for it. And in my line, that means alot of hours and stress. So where's the middle ground? Maybe it is not in my nature. In GT4, you got the BTRs and Elises. Wild cars, cautious drives. And you've got cars like the Miata. Drive it hard cause it easy to drive. Where's the middle ground? Anyway, the Oni-line is parked in the garage without a dent or scratch after six laps. I decided to play test driver with it. My job on the line if I wrecked the car. Over two runs of three laps each, I eased into the car. I started with wide safety margins and on each lap, pressed closer to a racing line. Interesting ride. By patiently breaking it in, I got a real feel for its handling and power. Loved the car. And also the track...the pressure of no mistakes focused my attention. For obvious reasons, my times are nowhere near some above. But I think I'll stake a claim to the middle ground here. The car is clean, the boss is happy. And, I've got a real pretty replay of damn near perfect 7:53 lap. From: Onikaze | Posted: 10/23/2005 9:40:22 AM | Message Detail The thing that made me pick the R34 was seeing the GTR-Proto and how ugly it is. I figured, hell, if something can make an R34 look cool by comparison, maybe I should see if I can find one I like. I found two! Naturally they are the Nur cars, added tuning for the track, race bred engines, though the gearbox is too wide, with the added power I can just get into 6th gear going down Dottinger Hohe on N1's. Works well enough anyways. I spent some time having good old fashioned hooliganish fun around Trial Mountain Reverse with my modded Skyline, man that track is soooo fun to drift. Gives a great feel for throwing the car into the corner, letting it set into an angle, and then just stomping on the gas til you're facing open road, followed by occasionally frantic sawing of the wheel. I find it looks best in Black, like something from Mad Max... Funny, since my name is Max. If I could upload Replays, I'd put together a smoky 'Ring lap for you guys. Still haven't gotten any real times with the 'Line, just keep drifting it around like mad every time I get in it. |
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From: MrPinstripes | Posted: 10/23/2005 10:50:22 AM | Message Detail
To continue the conversation from a bit ago, I use a DFP for almost everything
in GT4. In GT3, I used a DS2 for the license tests, since my DF would only brake
to 80% or so. For GT4, I only used the DS2 on the last 2 Coffee Breaks- the cone
obstacle course and the cone maze. I just couldn't whip the wheel around fast
enough to make the corners on those.
I've found that the DS2 has the potential to be faster on a short technical
course (where the full side-to-side lock actually matters), while the DFP starts
to shine on longer or faster courses, where consistency and fine control will
get you faster lap times.
WR- I'll get to this today, but I'm currently working on a Halloween costume for
my son. I've driven the Nur before, but that was with a wing, R5s, and an
original turbo (testing lap times for someone else). I'm sure that will make a
bit of difference in its handling.
Sacked- I started using "test driver" style runs a while ago. I initially had
the idea while driving the BMW M5, but I've since applied the philosophy to all
my GT4 driving. No grass contact, no (uncontrolled) sliding, and definitely no
armco-whacking. If I mess up, I quit driving that car/track/both for a while.
I think I started doing it to ensure that all of my laps were good ones. I
usually only get 1/2 to 2 laps in at a time (even on short tracks), so if I
botch one, I usually won't get a chance to correct it. I'd rather have one
decent lap than 3/4 of a good one with a wipeout at Pflanzgarten to show for my
time.
Later, all.
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Define Insanity: Trying to keep an 877 Hp M-Spec Nur Skyline, otherwise
completely stock but the power mods, on the track, on N1 tires.
8'01 somehow.
I think if I find the right lines I can keep it on track and drop that down
towards a 7'40 or so with huge smoky drifts for seasoning.
The V-Spec II N1 (white with CF hood) seems VERY tail happy even at just 400 Hp,
interesting.
Had a lot of fun making a Z-Tune replica with a Silver V-Spec II Nur, got all
the appropriate chassis mods, 502 Hp, lightened it once, then slapped on N1
tires and smoked them right off.
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If I wanted to play as a girly and whiny emo guy I'd play one of the single
player FF games.BlackBladeRune on MGS2
From: MrPinstripes | Posted: 10/23/2005 3:38:11 PM | Message Detail
The GT-R Nur was, as expected, another Skyline. What I mean by that is it was
acceptably fast, a bit sluggish feeling in the twisties, and very easy to push
hard. If nothing else, they're very forgiving cars. You can blow an entry, back
off the gas a bit, then power right back out like nothing happened. I'm just not
crazy about their handling.
As for "John Q Skyline's" appearance, the car looks nice up to the end of the
doors. After that, it sorta goes to poop. My mother would call it a "horny-butt"
car, and I've inherited her dislike of the low front/high rear style. The new
GT-R concept (forgive me if that's not what it's called) is in a similar boat,
but the middle bit looks great in that, with the front and rear being ugly. I
guess Nissan just can't get everything right at once.
Back to the track, my first lap was a mild 7'47.xxx. I did have two offs, one
with armco contact going into Miss-Hit-Miss, and one just grass near
Schwalbenschwanz (I think).
I decided that 10 seconds off lead pace wasn't good enough (and I've been
itching to put my newly sharpened knowledge to the test), so I started
methodically cutting time off.
"Going Faster!" is definitely making a difference in my driving. Though I was
aware of everything I've read so far, reading it in such a detailed and focused
format is making me pay more attention to my line- which is really poor on a lot
of corners.
My first lap making a conscious effort to push came in at 7'41. The next few
were aborted as I found better lines (usually the hard way) through several
corners, including Flugplatz and Schwedenkreuz (!?!).
I'll throw my ante in at 7'38.378. I was up on my 7'41 ghost by 3.4 seconds
coming off the Pflanzgarten run, but I blew the entry to Galgenkopf, losing at
least a second there and probably more down the Dottinger-Hohe straight. That
would put me in the neighborhood of 7'36, and I feel the Nur has more in it that
I can't get to yet. It might not feel like it to begin with, but it is a damn
fast car.
Nice pick, Oni, and thanks for the nudge, Flibutz.
From: Whammy10 | Posted: 10/23/2005 4:48:25 PM | Message Detail
Hey guys, happy to join your Nurburgring diary. I'll probably only post RR
times, but I'm happy to share nonetheless. Anyway, with the Subaru Super Tourer
(Black) #97, I set a time of 6:46.677. I'm usually between 8-12 seconds off the
pace of the fastest guys, so I'm actually surprised that no one else has noted
going considerably faster than that. After I did that, I drove other cars with
similar power around the track and set faster times, so I think I left something
out there, but I'm not sure.
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From: wanderingmuse22 | Posted: 10/23/2005 6:08:25 PM | Message Detail
MrPinstripes, the entry to Galkenkopf has ruined more of my perfectly good
replays and lap times than any other single bend. Not that it's particularly
tricky, but it's so close to the end that a lapse of concentration is almost
natural.
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From: Amarynceus | Posted: 10/23/2005 7:01:00 PM | Message Detail
So, I have a question. Those of you 'Ringers who are now documented as enjoying
the V Spec II Nur, will you stop hating Skylines now?
Mmmmmaybe. Probably not.
WR™: Nissan Skyline GT-R V-spec II Nur '02.
A very nice car. Tons of grip, really great brakes, and a sweet engine tone.
It's definitely begging for more power, what with a sixth gear there's no reason
to touch around the 'Ring. Kind of a strange dyno graph, with peak torque way
down low and a little gulf where the power drops off for a bit.
Too bad it suffers from the Skyline "Ugly Ass" syndrome. By that I simply mean
it has an Ugly Ass -- or more specifically Ugly Hips. I can't stand those goofy
squarish flares around the rear wheels. Blech.
Fortunately, that has nothing to do with its performance. Also, the blue colour
hides its physical flaws very well.
Times: (two laps each, NDA, Oil, 55 kg neutral ballast, driven with cleanliness
in mind rather than outright speed)
N1s: 8'34.201"
Very slippy and squirrely but astounding mechanical grip under power; not a
trace of any wheelspin in any gear.
N2s: 8'07.764"
A nice balance of grip and slip; probably my favourite out of the N-grade
rubber.
N3s: 7'56.510"
Although the N3s offer good grip and traction, somehow it felt more "meh" than
on N2s. Also, the increased grip caused me to get a bit cocky on certain bends
and screw over my exit speeds, either by coming out too hot and understeering
into the grass or having to brake again and scrubbing all my speed away.
S2s: 7'44.331"
I just couldn't get to speed for some reason. I could perhaps have shaved 3
seconds off by doing more laps, but breaking into the 7'30"s is a bit beyond me.
Maybe if I took out the "driver ballast" and ran 4 or 5 more laps.
MrPinstripes -- funnily enough, I have a V-spec Nur modified that way in my
garage too (R5s, wings, orig. turbo). I think it was Kazoo who came in a while
back and asked for some advice on his project car.
Soon I'll make some time for the Miata Club. I also have to get to the last two
RR™s that I've neglected to do. I won a nice red Subaru after running the Stars
of Pleiades several times (had to squeeze 200pts out of each race...) and
winning several silver ones. It looks a helluva lot better in Red, I must say.
From: oldguy1957 | Posted: 10/23/2005 9:08:47 PM | Message Detail
For my first venture into the world of N1's, I'm pretty pleased with myself. I
now understand why Oni likes it in that world. Granted, the Skyline Nur is very
tame in comparison to most of the other cars we test-drive, but it only took me
about half a lap to get the feel of it. Once through the technical section, and
I had, pretty much, learned how to keep the car on the track.
I'm used to planting my foot to the floor as soon as I pass the apex of a turn.
On N1's, steering with your feet (using the DFP, obviously) is a must. Gentle
brake-taps and gradual applications of throttle are what keep you pointed in the
direction you want to go, as much as using the steering wheel.
With the suggested hp upgrade to 430-some hp, I was able to pull a
8'28.9...exactly 59 seconds slower than on S2's. I only had one "off" on my
second lap, from not slowing quite enough for Angstkurve (definitely NOT
mutkurve on N1's).
It was fun. I now know that, if I ever get bored with GT4, all I have to do is
start running every car in my garage on N1's on the Ring, and life will never be
dull again!
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From: viperinthegrass | Posted: 10/23/2005 9:27:43 PM | Message Detail
BR™
Various MX5 ( Miata )
Hi Sacked,
Did not get as much track time over the weekend as I would have liked but I
managed two laps on each of the following:
'89 Crystal White - 120kW – 9.26.xxx / 9.11.xxx
'91 J Ltd. Sunburst Yellow - 120kW - 9.14.xxx / 9.07.xxx
'93 J Ltd. ll Sunburst Yellow – 132 kw - 9.05.xxx / 9.01.xxx
'95 VR Ltd. Green Mica – 132 kW – 9.15.xxx / 9.08.xxx
'97 SR Ltd. Sparkle Green – 132kw - 9.03.xxx / 9.01.xxx
In summary, as usual I lose too much time through overbraking plus I am losing
time at Bergwerk ( this has become my Bete Noir lately ).
The Yellow ones are quicker.
In my version there are 11 to choose from, new and secondhand- mind you they are
a popular Car over here in Oz.
My philosophy towards driving is similar to yours ( it must be a senior citizen
thing) you cannot win races or post fast times if you are spending all your time
lawnmowing. I am a bit of a purist when it comes to driving and I believe my
strengths lie in being able to work a track out and then being able to work out
the particular car I am using - bring em back alive I say.
Expanding on this I have looked at Ringing from the perspective of four lap time
zones i.e.
6 minutes or less – the Racecars, require a lot of sustained concentration and
really get your heart rate going ( I have fried several pacemakers already ),
technically difficult and challenging BUT driven at 9/10's you can put in a
blinder that is very satisfying.
7 minutes – smaller racecars & big stock and or modified cars, different
techniques required here and must stay on the track as excursions can really
bugger up your day.
8 minutes – lots of cars in this range including a lot of the drift monsters,
once again different techniques required here but all adding to our skill and
knowledge. A good time zone to try different lines etc. as you have a bit more
time to think and its more about the driver than the car.
9 minutes – I know the Young Guns are not that keen on the slower cars ( ahh!
the impatience and brashness of youth , sigh ) but for me it is almost
sacrilegious to crash, its all about maintaining momentum, good lines timing of
throttle and brakes. See what I mean? different skills and techniques required
but to me they can be as difficult and challenging as the fastest über missile.
Any thoughts on this?
I will probably do a few posts today ( day off ) once I have done all my chores,
so I will take the opportunity to catch up with things as it sometimes difficult
to get the time to drive and write reports, especially if you are as woefully
slow at typing as I am.
From: viperinthegrass | Posted: 10/24/2005 1:15:19 AM | Message Detail
WR™
A few more laps with the Nür Nissans. No great improvement, circulating around
the mid 7' 40's to low 7' 50's. Tonight I will have a go at N tyres and aids off
driving.
I must say I like the M spec version the best, I know there is no major
difference between them but there you go, it must be cause its black.
I would also like it noted that Muse and I were on record as saying we had a
soft spot for the Skyline, BEFORE it became fashionable to say so!
Fed76,
What is is like in Alberta? It just sounds as if it would be a beautiful place.
I am glad you were asking about using a Wheel, I have been thinking about it
too. I have a query to put out there but first some background :
I have used a DS2 controller from GT1 onwards
At the time I started I had temporarily injured fingers (bike crash – bloody
oil!) so I adapted to using R1 for throttle, Triangle for brake and left stick
for steering.
I had to use auto trannies and have never been able to retrain my brain.
Although there is supposed to be some analog action from the buttons it is
difficult for me to use as I dont have fine enough control i.e. Throttle is
mostly either full on or full off, brakes are either full on or off. This made
it harder to do things like trailbrake, hold partial throttle through a turn,
also tend to lock up brakes more easily.
I have become quite adept at “blipping” the throttle and “pumping” the brakes (
pumping the brakes made all the wet Tsukuba races very easy) so my question is –
until I can buy a wheel I have set myself a target of 8 to twelve seconds behind
the faster guys, would this be reasonable given my setup? Will I be able to
adapt to a wheel? I hope so as I would like to be a tad more competetive.
Flibutz – This Ruf mania is very contagious, I wonder if the good Doctor will
give us a group discount? Thanks for the record recommendation, I am hoping to
organise accessing a music download site so I can go hunting for stuff. CTR2 lap
N1 and no aids 8' 36.xxx urk!
G'day to whammy10
I may get back on line later tonight,
Bye for now.
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Post by vitg on Aug 6, 2007 19:24:16 GMT -5
From: Onikaze | Posted: 10/24/2005 5:28:39 AM | Message Detail N1's are great, twice the horsepower makes them insane. It's wild going down a straight away, having the Torque Curve peak and the tail of the car just walks sideways and spins into a wall...at 145 mph. "Ok, guess you didn't like that side of the track huh." Wheelspin in any gear if you want it, 2nd and 3rd gear burnouts with all four wheels, 4th gear+tap the nitrous lights the tires at 120 mph. Very fun, very insane. Had some more fun with an odd car, I wish it didn't come in white, I would probably have chosen the Skyline V-Spec II N1 for it's tail happy handling and neat hood (it actually has CF detail too it) but I just can't be happy driving a white car. The M-Spec Nur is nice, I was torn between it and the V-Spec II Nur, I went with the V-Spec because it seemed to be a bit easier to keep under control when gripping, yet still loved to slide the tail like mad. I've been running drift laps of Deep Forest Reverse, El Capitan Reverse, Trial Mountain Reverse, Midfield Raceway Normal, and the Nurburgring with my 430 Hp V-Spec II Nur in Black, NIO339 (or something, the Black Nismo Rims), and N1 rubber. Gotta love the 4 wheel slides, and the ability/requirement of pointing your car towards the exit before you enter the turn most of the time. STILL don't have a good S2 time, because I keep putting the N1's on and sliding around. --- If I wanted to play as a girly and whiny emo guy I'd play one of the single player FF games.BlackBladeRune on MGS2 From: fed76 | Posted: 10/24/2005 4:17:58 PM | Message Detail Viper, Alberta this time of year is a nice 20 degrease C, but at night it cools to 0 or less. Tonight will only get to 10. Summers get over 30 and winters into the –30’s, which sends many down south for the winter. I however must stay for work and hockey. I’m in the south so its bald ass prairie, but I’m only an hour’s drive from the beautiful Rocky Mountains. Great place to go camp, as is British Columbia. Theres also many little lakes and rivers and coolies scattered about which gives a guy lots of good outdoorsy options. If that’s your thing, camping to me means beer and fires and maybe boche ball. Last year I went to Vancouver to visit some in-laws and through the rockies the view is nice, but theres one toll highway, the Cocaholla (sp.), that’s no speed limits and lots of curves and elevation changes. At the bottom of one incline it will be totally dry and at the top pouring rain. Very scary but also tons of fun. I was driving the Mother in-laws TDI jetta and had the back swaying a few times in the rain. Also, It no longer sound like the wheel will be my birthday gift but that’s O.K., As for the controller, I recall that on some of the license tests and also on the straights sometimes (to prevent that darn drop in speed from over revving the engine) I used the right analog to lightly hit the gas or break but none to often. Well the Skyline is a success, not like anyone was going to doubt Oni. On the S2’s that it comes with my best lap was 7:53:029, which was pretty clean except for one of the turns before Hocheichen (I think?). That lap could be seriously improved but then I put the N1’s on and it was so fun that’s how the rest of my laps stayed, BL, 8,32.461. Not near clean but since I was handling the drifting pretty good I went back to the BTR. Yes RUFS are addicting. On N2’s that thing is impossible yet alone N1,s, many deaths for me, spins armco etc… So I tried the N3’s, which pleasently supprised me with a 8,07.537.Hey it comes on S3's. (N2 time 8’50.189, what a difference between comfort and road tires?).I am so very happy with that and WILL improve on it. I was off a few times but no spins and no armco so that made me a good test driver. Excellent replay, which led to my first ever picture ever of the tires smoking as I drift through Metzgesfeld?. Soon after the BTR I tried a few more laps hoping to improve my best F1 lap and shaved 3 seconds to a blistering 5,13.863, awsome! I now think maybe a 5,10 or just under is doable but not to much more. Hopefully today I’ll get on the MX 5’s. But if not I’ll be really busy at work tomorrow and then heading to Montana for my days off. Ahh Lucky Lills. Happy ringing all. --- GT4 100%, 100% win ratio From: wanderingmuse22 | Posted: 10/24/2005 4:36:24 PM | Message Detail Speaking of MX-5's, here's a tidbit about their relationship with the 'Ring: www.askaprice.com/torque-article.asp?article=Mazda_MX-5_race-tested&item=572--- For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Matthew 24:27 From: Amarynceus | Posted: 10/24/2005 7:01:23 PM | Message Detail 15 seconds faster? Sweet. It's just too bad that they mucked up the hood and fenders on the new Miata. It's slowly growing on me, but the hood is what bothers me the most. What I really like is that it now has roll hoops (finally!) and they've squished everything closer in to the centre. More power is nothing to sneeze at, though personally the Miatas are fine with stock power. They're all about speed through handling not speed through power, after all. Oh, and *steals this week's RR™ and runs away* --- For sweetest things turn sourest by their deeds: Lilies that fester smell far worse than weeds. From: viperx2002 | Posted: 10/24/2005 8:38:13 PM | Message Detail Stop! Thief! Oh wait.. it's Amar... --- "The greatest burden is great potential" - Charles M. Schulz From: Amarynceus | Posted: 10/24/2005 9:39:27 PM | Message Detail RR™ Catch-Up Jaguar XJR-9 Race Car '88 A pretty nice car overall, but probably because I haven't been running very many high-speed cars lately I couldn't get on the pace. Best lap was a 5'45" something, when I should have been in the 5'30"s. It rides the kerbs nicely, but every once in a while I'd catch one wrong and got unsettled, and it's really hard to pull it back once it's off-kilter. Had a few ugly spins because of this, and a few moments of careering from side to side across the track before ending up in the wall. Probably with the right tweaking it would handle a lot better, but stock it felt pretty good. The driver was more off than the car in this case. Subaru Impreza Super Touring Car '01 Pretty impressive for an AWD. I don't like very many of the AWD race cars; they tend to push excessively. This one was well-balanced and surprisingly fast. My times still weren't top-shelf; the best I managed was a 6'39". Given the pathetic downforce this car has, it sticks to the road surprisingly well. No major flaws that I noticed, and it only pushed in a few places, and those because I was just a little to hot coming into the corner. It didn't like the kerbing very much though; I had a few "incidents" in the Wipperman Esses because of that, and never did manage to find a good line. I still have to finish up the Miata Club; I've run the first two but haven't got to the rest yet. | Page 11 of 12 | Last Page The Nurburgring Diary: Volume XI From: oldguy1957 | Posted: 10/25/2005 7:05:19 AM | Message Detail Don't doubt Amar's word usage. He schooled us once before on the definitions of careening and careering. --- The best laid plans of mice and men, often go astray. From: Onikaze | Posted: 10/25/2005 7:22:18 AM | Message Detail I'm pretty sure he meant Careening though, because that indicates moving out of control/bouncing. I need to drive some more, but work calls. --- If I wanted to play as a girly and whiny emo guy I'd play one of the single player FF games.BlackBladeRune on MGS2 From: Amarynceus | Posted: 10/25/2005 8:54:13 AM | Message Detail I meant exactly what I typed. From the OED: Career: v. intr. 1 move or swerve about wildly vs Careen: v. 1 tr. turn (a ship) on one side for cleaning, caulking or repair. 2 a intr. tilt; lean over. b tr. cause to do this. I view the usage of careen to mean career an unfortunate deviation. It bugs me almost as much as the constant misuse of enormity and decimate, and a hundred other words that have their own individual senses and yet are conflated (mostly by idiot journalists) for no good reason whatsoever. I have no problem with new words joining the lexicon but I dislike losing old ones with perfectly good shades of meaning of their own. The modern tendency to synonymize (argh, I just verbed) is most regrettable. Two sources are to blame for many aspects of the degradation of our common tongue, I think. The first are the journalists, who mercilessly bludgeon the language at every turn. Much of this comes through working to a constant deadline, but some of it comes from sheer stupidity and lack of skill. The second is the accursed thesaurus. If I were emperor of the world, I would ban all thesaurii from schools. Students get from them the idea that words are interchangeable, that "close" is just as good as "shut," that meaning is not shaded and words are just so many modular pieces, one interchangeable with another. Bah. The French have the right idea, with an Institute devoted to the preservation of their language. The English-speaking peoples need the same. --- For sweetest things turn sourest by their deeds: Lilies that fester smell far worse than weeds. From: Flibutz | Posted: 10/25/2005 9:05:56 AM | Message Detail My sister and her two dogs and two children (the boy is 11yrs old and the girl 9) came for a visit lasting several days, so it has been a bit of a circus here. That's total of three dogs and they're not the quiet type. neither are the kids. I'm having fun, it's always nice to see them. It costs me some good GTing time though... It's funny, my sister just turned 42 and I'll be driving the Audi Quattro to celebrate my b-day in january. I thought I was recovering, but when the kids had gone to sleep the RUF lunacy continued... 3400S: As expected, this one is a lot of fun, too. It's a RUF that is also suitable for grip driving. It turns well even with the throttle on, and has just enough lift-throttle oversteer to help you through the tighter turns. Overall, it makes very good use of its power - best lap was 7'26.390. CTR Yellowbird: This one still feels like it's a bit too much. The amount of armco whacking and lawnmowing was incredible. After a lot of trying, I managed a clean lap of 7'09.864. That contained one near-fatal mistake at Bergwerk but I was lucky enough to pull off an emergency maneuvre and didn't even touch the armco and kept at least one wheel on the tarmac through the turn. With this one it's extremely hard to regain control if something goes wrong. Too fast for its own good! BTR revisited: I was studying my RUF replays and found an ugly cut in Hatzenbach area. You know, that kind of shortcut that makes a laptime invalid. Having just driven the CTR, I hopped back into the BTR and clocked a 7'21.307 before too long. While watching the replays, I also became more confident that RGT is indeed faster than CTR2. RUF tip of the day: If you want to break your record time with the BTR, just run the CTR around the ring until you get a clean lap. BTR feels very stable after that. If you're aiming for a hot lap in the RGT, train with BTR. You can do anything you like with the RGT after that without upsetting it. Summary: For fast laps: CTR>RGT>CTR2>BTR>3400S Personal preference: BTR>RGT>3400S>CTR>CTR2 This might change if I learn to control the CTR better. So, this concludes the first phases of ORS, but the RUF spirits are already talking about N tyres. They've already made me mod some RUFs so they'll probably win. fed - That's a big difference between N2s and N3s! Surprised me, too. But then again, my experience with N grade tyres is very limited. 8'07 with BTR on N3s sounds like a very good time, haven't tried it on those tyres though. VITG - I think there are very good cars in every laptime range. But many of my favourite cars fall in the 7'10 - 7'45 range and almost all of them can do 9mins flat. WR: Oni 'line (with suggested upgrades) on N1s. Pretty wild. Gotta love powersliding with this one. Though I've done good laps with drifty cars, it seems I have a lot to learn about drifting for replays. I got nicer drifts when going fast than when I tried to look cool. But I am a novice with Ns. I had fun, but somehow I think I'll have more fun with a little more power. I'll try to drift it with more mods and maybe run some laptimes stock. BTW, feel free to correct my spelling/grammar if you like. Not being a native speaker I probably do a lot of mistakes I'll never notice. --- Currently suffering from a bad case of O.R.S. From: ciscrack | Posted: 10/25/2005 9:06:51 AM | Message Detail My ****** Webster's says career-speed in a course, or to go at top speed esp. in a headlong manner. Thanks Amar. I never heard that def. before. I guess I've done a lot of careering in my driving career and never knew it. --- Hey! Pancho stole my ******* whiskey photobucket.com/albums/a282/ciscrack/?sc=1 |
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From: Onikaze | Posted: 10/25/2005 10:27:55 AM | Message Detail Greasy, slicked-down body Groovy leather trim I like the way you hold the road Mama, it ain't no sin Talkin' 'bout love, talkin' 'bout love, talkin' 'bout Ooh, trouble-free transmission helps your oil's flow Mama, let me pump your gas, mama, let me through your door Talkin' 'bout love, ah, talkin' 'bout love, ooh I'm talkin' 'bout Dig that heavy metal underneath your hood Baby, I can work all night, believe I got the perfect tools Talkin' 'bout lo-ove, talkin' 'bout lo-ove, talkin' 'bout A model built for comfort, really built with style Special list edition, mama, let me feast my eyes Talkin' 'bout love, talkin' 'bout love, talkin' 'bout Factory air-conditioned, heat begins to rise Guaranteed to run for hours, mama, let me pull your tires Talkin' 'bout love, talkin' 'bout love, talkin' 'bout Groovin' on the freeway, gauge is on the red Gun down on my gasoline, believe I'm gonna crack your head Talkin' 'bout love, talkin' 'bout love, I'm talkin' 'bout I can't stop talkin' about, I can't stop talkin' about Oooh, yeah, yes, a-drive on Oooh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, I'm comin' through Come to me for service every hundred miles Baby, let me check your points, fix your overdrive Talkin' 'bout love, I'm talkin' 'bout love, I'm talkin' 'bout Ooh, yes, fully automatic, comes in any size Makes me wonder what I did before we synchronized Talkin' 'bout lo-ove, talkin' 'bout love, I'm talkin' 'bout Ooh-ooh, feather-light suspension -- Konis couldn't hold I'm so glad I took a look inside your showroom doors Talkin' 'bout love, talkin' 'bout low-oh-hove, talkin' 'bout I can't, I can't, oh, I can't stop talkin' about love I can't stop talkin' about love Ooh, let me come down, come down Comin' down, comin' down, come down, yes I can't stop talkin' about I can't stop talkin' about lo-ove, baby I can't stop talkin' about love, a-my baby I can't stop talkin' about love, my baby-ah My baby, my baby, yeah Push, push, push, push, yes, push, push Ooooh Trampled Underfoot~ Led Zeppelin --- If I wanted to play as a girly and whiny emo guy I'd play one of the single player FF games.BlackBladeRune on MGS2 From: viperx2002 | Posted: 10/25/2005 11:12:00 AM | Message Detail [This message was deleted at the request of the original poster] From: jwrebholz | Posted: 10/25/2005 11:26:13 AM | Message Detail "Don't forget the public school system that is forced to teach to the lowest common denominator, Amar" What country are you living in? In this one they teach FAR below the lowest common denominator. --- I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that you're a moron. From: viperx2002 | Posted: 10/25/2005 11:49:09 AM | Message Detail [This message was deleted at the request of the original poster] From: MrPinstripes | Posted: 10/25/2005 2:08:58 PM | Message Detail I'm not going to get started on this (society and its ills). I tend to go a bit overboard. As for the career/careen discussion, I was misusing it for "carom", which is "to collide and rebound", an apt description of my path through Schwedenkreuz the one time Amarynceus yelled at me for bad useage. So I guess I was still ****ing up, just not how he thought. I was expecting the RR pick, then I remembered that it's only Tuesday. I'm curious to see what Amarynceus has up his sleeve. Flibutz- You're a jerk (not serious at all). Nice times, especially with the CTR. My best CTR time is actually worse than my best BTR time, so I know I'm not getting near it's full potential. I plan on having a go at my Rufs again this weekend. Later, everyone. Page 12 of 12 The Nurburgring Diary: Volume XI From: viperx2002 | Posted: 10/25/2005 2:36:21 PM | Message Detail Ahem. Yeah, I shouldn't have said that(true or not). I don't want to start a war. Sorry, I just tend to be a bit opinionated. --- "The greatest burden is great potential" - Charles M. Schulz From: viperinthegrass | Posted: 10/25/2005 2:43:14 PM | Message Detail G'day, At least you guys do not have to deal with Auslish, and for whats its worth I would much rather be hooning (careering) around the Ring than having Barnacles scraped off my backside. From: Onikaze | Posted: 10/25/2005 3:30:44 PM | Message Detail Carom, thats what I was looking for. Never heard Career used that way, but I have heard and used Carom for bouncing around. --- If I wanted to play as a girly and whiny emo guy I'd play one of the single player FF games.BlackBladeRune on MGS2 From: Amarynceus | Posted: 10/25/2005 4:25:39 PM | Message Detail Yeah, carom's a great word. I didn't mean to sound like an ass earlier, but I usually end up pedantic when it comes to language usage. Not that I'm always so skillful in my english.  "Auslish" huh? I was thinking about how the U.S. is the only English-speaking nation that deviates from standard spellings (we [or rather they ;P] delete the 'u's out of colour, valour, armour et cetera) and how the States seems to be the most egregious offender in language abuse, but then I thought of Australia. I bet if you found a sufficiently anal grammarian (my grammar's weak and unlike word usage I'm not so picky, so shush  ) and plonked him down in Oz in the right place, his head might explode. The same goes for parts of urban England, large swathes of the American south and parts of the Canadian plains. I remember an incident my mother told me a while back from a trip to the South. I can't remember the location, but a guy came up and said something that to her ears sounded like "sophisat?" Turned out he was asking "where's the office at?" but it was difficult for Northwestern-born ears to comprehend. For the record, that's where I'm from, the green Pacific Northwest, Oregon to be more specific. I was born on a reservation, and it being a sovereign (albeit dependent) nation I feel I can choose the English I write, and by and large it's the Queen's English and not 'Merican. I don't feel right if I leave the u out of neighbour or spell connexion without an x (even though the rest of the English world doesn't use that spelling anymore). Yeah, I'm silly when it comes to language. I blame it on a diet from an early age of mostly English writers, especially Carroll. Besides, 'Merican is the language of my ancestor's oppressors so my refusal to obey its strictures is a (very silly) "political" statement. At any rate, I'm sure I'm fighting a losing battle when it comes to "career" and "careen." If the BBC can't even use "decimate" right anymore, the language is definitely in for it. --- For sweetest things turn sourest by their deeds: Lilies that fester smell far worse than weeds. From: Soulidarity | Posted: 10/25/2005 4:38:30 PM | Message Detail meh, we've all got our little hitches amar. Hopefully if one of mine ever rears its ugly head, people will be equally tolerant. --- Currently working on FFX: Tidus SCC, preparing for Chocobo Eater, and The Warriors, about to start 4th level. Gran Turismo 4 is on hold for now From: Onikaze | Posted: 10/25/2005 4:56:54 PM | Message Detail I might have a preference for older english, but I actually avoid reading others writings, as I myself am I writer, a poet to be specific. People always say "but why don't you read the greats?" To which I respond, would the greats read others writing, or simply write something themselves? --- If I wanted to play as a girly and whiny emo guy I'd play one of the single player FF games.BlackBladeRune on MGS2 From: wanderingmuse22 | Posted: 10/25/2005 7:08:13 PM | Message Detail I love poets. Pablo Neruda is my absolute favorite. I have a book of his Odes (Ode to Wine is my favorite) which draws life, for me. Dylan Thomas is a close second her two surnames stopped me still I believe is the line that catches me. Thomas' grasp of sound, and Neruda's pure sense of poetry- the poetry that hides in all things great and small, are both majestic. Man, that's off topic. Amarynceus, I thank you for the correction- you learn something new everyday, no? It's no surprise the number of regulars here who are writers, though. It's not your lap times that keep me coming back each day, I promise. --- For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Matthew 24:27 From: viperinthegrass | Posted: 10/25/2005 7:41:53 PM | Message Detail Greetings and Salutations, A very quick lunchtime post, I would love to continue the discussion on language and will do so later, but for now if anyone would like a good laugh( and cringe ), check out the following site. www.weaselwords.com.au/This highlights some classic examples of our Fascist Governments deliberate "Dumbing Down" of Australia, very sad. To make this an official post I would like to announce - I have learnt how to drive a YellowBird ! or rather adapting to the car was easier because of my driving style i.e. slow in, fast out and make use of its phenominal acceleration. Best lap still not entirely clean, 7 ' 30. 478. Thats not as fast as some but I am wrapt ( Auslish ) Catch you later! From: wanderingmuse22 | Posted: 10/25/2005 8:06:49 PM | Message Detail Onikaze said To which I respond, would the greats read others writing, or simply write something themselves? I respect writers either way. If you read to learn and hone your own craft, that's cool. If you try not to spoil your own style by keeping out the influence of others, that's cool too. The only wrong approach is not writing at all, I suppose. But Oni, don't tell us you don't read poetry; you posted an entire 'Zeppelin song. (kidding, kidding) Peace. --- For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Matthew 24:27 From: Amarynceus | Posted: 10/26/2005 1:08:06 AM | Message Detail Well, now that I've exposed my linguistic silliness... Onikaze -- I understand not leaning too heavily upon others' work. I'm an artist by trade, and although I love looking at and studying art, when I'm working I try not to do so much because it ends up interfering with my own process. Anyway, since I may not be on tomorrow until late, here's this week's RR™: Chaparral 2D Race Car '67 It's rather expensive, but a quick DTCM run should take care of the cost (2 if you're flat broke). Another one of Jim Hall's creations, the 2D's lines epitomize what I love about many of the '60s and '70s racers. Smooth, swooping, it's an artifact of times where aerodynamics was more art than science (though there was plenty of science). It has great mechanical grip and tolerable aero grip, and is a lot of fun to toss around the track. Watch out for Flugplatz though; it's a tad nose-happy when it lifts over a rise. I initially had gone through two other picks, but my first, the Ford Focus Rally Car, which I had used for oldguys BR™ (my writeup was lost because the Diary got modded while I was posting it), turned out to be nowhere near as good as I remembered it too be. The second, the ASL Garaiya JGTC, was simply too good. Like the normal ASL Garaiya, it obeys every command, is perfectly balanced, and carves through the Ring like nobody's business, and hence is in a way boring. The 2D is anything but. Although the grip is great (the only way you'll spin a wheel is if you're coming onto tarmac from the grass at full throttle) it loves to slither and slide. For a real fun ride, trim all the downforce out and see just how much grip the chassis is contributing out of the whole package! And now, with the 2D, I think we've run every race car that was running during the 'Ring's heyday of racing, except for the Audi Auto Union V16 Type C Streamline '37. Page 13 of 13 The Nurburgring Diary: Volume XI From: MrPinstripes | Posted: 10/26/2005 3:28:06 AM | Message Detail SEXY! I do love the 2D. I will make time for this RR. "[Three-speed transmissions] and ancient weapons are no match for a good [lap time], kid..." I knew Amarynceus had a good one up his sleeve. --- I tried my hand at writing, but luckily quit before anyone got hurt. I have one poem that I still like, but all of the stories I wrote went straight from my head into Genero-Cheese-Land. Terrible. If I could smack myself from 12 years ago, I would. --- "Them yellow jackets keep the tired man from slacking." -Clutch, The Incomparable Mr. Flannery Pics- photobucket.com/albums/a346/MrPinstripes/ |
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Post by vitg on Aug 8, 2007 19:41:13 GMT -5
From: wanderingmuse22 | Posted: 10/26/2005 4:47:58 AM | Message Detail That the ASL's are balanced to the point of boring is a bit unfair. Approaching the 'Ring with a scalpel instead of a lawn mower means one has to look closer, and pay attention to the finer details. There's a time and a place for that, and after a round of Miatas and a Skyline, perhaps its simply not the time. I'd wager those who've been RUF'ing it (especialy in the CTR2 and Yellowbird) would appreciate having command of the Garaiya. The Garaiya does what its told. A submissive can be captivating if you're creative in your instructions. Having said all that, I love the RR pick, and hope to get some real time in it this week. I too am a fan of the lines and shapes (oh to have a Porsche 904 in the game!) of the era. Does anyone remember "The Coyote" from Hardcastle and McCormick? What kind of car was that? --- For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Matthew 24:27 From: Onikaze | Posted: 10/26/2005 5:29:14 AM | Message Detail Oh, Sacked has the WR Pick unless he abdicates at which point I'd like someone who hasn't picked one yet to speak up. --- If I wanted to play as a girly and whiny emo guy I'd play one of the single player FF games.BlackBladeRune on MGS2 From: Von | Posted: 10/26/2005 6:29:55 AM | Message Detail In all my time in these threads, I have never driven an ASL. So, my weekly rider at this point is requried to be the Garaiya. I will make time for the RR as well, as those 3 speeders are incredibly fun to play with. --- Tiny subaru versus gigantic german deathring!-Amarynceus From: sackedagain | Posted: 10/26/2005 7:42:42 AM | Message Detail I will take a shot at the WR™. Thanks Oni. I imagine that I will need to start dropping clues soon... From: viperx2002 | Posted: 10/26/2005 9:50:26 AM | Message Detail I like to tell people that the Chapparal cars have three speeds: Slow, Fast, and "Oh my god, we're all gonna die!". It seems particularly true of the 2J. --- "The greatest burden is great potential" - Charles M. Schulz From: MrPinstripes | Posted: 10/26/2005 1:37:20 PM | Message Detail Viperx- Yep, that just about covers it. Third gear seems really stupid until you look at your speedometer. A while back someone did a comparison test of all the LM cars on Sarthe II (modified, unfortunately) and the Chaparral 2D had close to (if not) the highest top speed. Amarynceus- The Streamline is pretty fun, but don't get it stuck sideways in the narrow sections. It'll take you ten minutes to get pointed the right way again. I don't even want to know that thing's turning radius. I think Earth has a shorter one. From: wanderingmuse22 | Posted: 10/26/2005 8:04:30 PM | Message Detail oh, and www.autoweek.com/files/specials/galleries/chaparral/pages/Chaparral-089.htmA gallery you might appreciate, but if nothing else, a picture of the real thing. --- From: Amarynceus | Posted: 10/26/2005 8:11:59 PM | Message Detail I like to tell people that the Chapparal cars have three speeds: Slow, Fast, and "Oh my god, we're all gonna die!". =D That's perfect! It's probably just me, but the sound of the 2D's engine winding up as you head toward "omg, we're all gonna die" speed makes me think of some poorly-tuned sci-fi vehicle. Something about that whine and burble makes me think of Flux Capacitors and Hyperdrives. Also, the way it gurgles when you're starting up from first (this is almost bound to happen at some point after stuffing it into the wall and having to get going again) is delightful. I don't know why. Wow, I'm having a hard time getting a maximum lap. My target is a sub-6'20" but I keep getting near that and then bobbling and wham! Armco. The 2D can be recovered from high-speed moments with subtle inputs but when I get out of shape on, say, the mad run from Pflanzgarten II to Schwalbenschwanz, I tend to panic and put in too much steering, and end up caroming off the barriers. I'm finding that an effective approach to a lot of bends seems to be brake a little early, light or off the throttle and let it slide a bit whilst keeping the nose pointed just inside the apex, then power out. Also, the 2D's back end will sometimes step out under heavy braking which can be used to start a light drift through the corner. Corners I think benefit from this: Adenauer-Forst, Kallenhard, Wehrseifen, Exmuhle, Eschbach, Hohe Acht, maybe Wipperman. For me at least, Breidscheide, Bergwerk and Bruunchen feel better gripped all the way. Be very, very wary of dropping a rear wheel off. Sometimes you can get away with it, but more often than not an abrupt reversal in orientation will be the result. Also, be sure to brake a little *before* the Flugplatz jump. If the car is stabilized before the jump, it has no problem, but if you wait to brake on landing or have the wheels turned at all, goodbye to forward motion. Even being off the throttle can see you spinning there. Pflanzgarten II is also a little bit hairy. The 2D remains very responsive to steering at full canter and with the DS2 it can be a bit hard to line it up on the proper groove. I don't usually adjust the set-up for a RR, but if you don't lengthen the gears a touch you'll bounce off the rev-limiter coming into Tiergarten. I'm looking forward to everyone's impressions. --- For sweetest things turn sourest by their deeds: Lilies that fester smell far worse than weeds. From: fed76 | Posted: 10/26/2005 9:45:40 PM | Message Detail ChicaGO SUCKS, Well home I am, and come on, boston the winners, tooo much money, too much like the yankys, but that meens the American dream, proof again that money is all that matters as far as baseball goes.Screw baseball, how can ya"lll care, typical Americans. From: fed76 | Posted: 10/26/2005 9:47:53 PM | Message Detail Sorry I'm ranting, jusrt that come on.....The typical hockey game is so much better --- GT4 100%, 100% win ratio From: MrPinstripes | Posted: 10/27/2005 3:32:57 AM | Message Detail The 2D is most definitely a handful. I had driven it earlier, but I'd forgotten how insanely fast it is. Amarynceus has good advice on how to keep the car under control, though I have much more trouble at Pflanzgarten I than PgII. I messed around a bit with the suspension and transmission, dialing in a bit more stability and some more 'Ring-friendly gearing. I have second gear balanced to handle just about every non-hairpin corner on the track without bogging down (though the stretch from second to third is a bit long). I want to try lengthening first to handle more of them, leaving second for faster corners and a closer third to get better acceleration coming out of Hocheichen and Galgenkoph. Best time: 6'17.8, and I think I can get near to 6'00 flat, assuming I have the reflexes for it. --- "Them yellow jackets keep the tired man from slacking." -Clutch, The Incomparable Mr. Flannery From: wanderingmuse22 | Posted: 10/27/2005 4:36:04 AM | Message Detail If you broke the six minute mark in the 2D, would it set a PTR record? It only has a shade over 400hp, right? Is there another racecar with less than 450hp that can lap the 'Ring in six minutes flat, or less? --- For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Matthew 24:27 From: sackedagain | Posted: 10/27/2005 7:43:17 AM | Message Detail If soulidarity wants the WR™ pick next week, that's good by me. I've got it narrowed down to two cars. A tuner or a brit. My heart is with the brit, but I think the tuner might provoke more interest. It also hearkens back to my last WR™ choice many months ago. From: sackedagain | Posted: 10/27/2005 1:55:21 PM | Message Detail In honor of Oni, I am announcing the WR™ early: First a movie: www.streetracersonline.com/videos/b7.phpAnd, then some pics and specs: www.rsportscars.com/eng/cars/r32_hpa.aspAnd, finally, a place to buy direct: hpamotorsports.com/projects_forsale_r32.htmOr, if you skipped all that, the WR™ is the HPA Sports Stage II R32. Go fast. Now. From: Onikaze | Posted: 10/27/2005 2:03:40 PM | Message Detail Ewwww.... On the one hand, it's Sacked. On the other hand, it's German Rice (Sauerkraut?), AND a Volkswagon. --- If I wanted to play as a girly and whiny emo guy I'd play one of the single player FF games.BlackBladeRune on MGS2 From: Amarynceus | Posted: 10/27/2005 2:06:39 PM | Message Detail I remember taking this one out quite a while ago. I also remember that it liked to drift. I vividly recall going through the Mutkurve sideways and actually holding the drift (instead of my usual routine of countersteering right into the wall). From: Onikaze | Posted: 10/27/2005 2:10:31 PM | Message Detail Man...I've avoided getting this car ever since I started my first playthrough... Actually I've yet to drive a single Volkswagon outside of license tests and missions. I really hate VW's other than the old Beetles, don't know why...just far and away my least favorite German cars, Audi's are brought down by the assosciation with VAG, as are Lamborghinis. --- If I wanted to play as a girly and whiny emo guy I'd play one of the single player FF games.BlackBladeRune on MGS2 From: wanderingmuse22 | Posted: 10/27/2005 3:36:16 PM | Message Detail Since the WR has been declared, care to share what the brit in question was? Oni, think of it as trying a new vegetable for the first time. It might seem unappealing at first, but it gets better. It's not unappealing to me at all. That car flies, and I love the sauerkraut reference (but then, I love reuben sandwiches, second only to muffelettas). Peace. --- For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Matthew 24:27 From: Soulidarity | Posted: 10/27/2005 3:37:51 PM | Message Detail dem's fightin words Oni! Ya, ok, so I really only like my VW, but still. --- Currently working on FFX: Tidus SCC, preparing for Chocobo Eater, and The Warriors, about to start 4th level. Gran Turismo 4 is on hold for now From: Onikaze | Posted: 10/27/2005 3:42:21 PM | Message Detail I just can't be happy with the thought of driving a Wrong Wheel Drive german car. --- If I wanted to play as a girly and whiny emo guy I'd play one of the single player FF games.BlackBladeRune on MGS2 From: MrPinstripes | Posted: 10/27/2005 4:07:55 PM | Message Detail Does the HPA even count as a production car? It'll turn out some very unproductionlike times. Hopefully mine is still in it's stock form from the Foot in Mouth BR. I usually drive the car then reset the PS2 after any "just for fun" jaunts. I may have been stupid and saved the game with it modified, though. I suppose it's only 32k to buy another one if I did modify it- considerably less than the 65k the kit to build one is in the real world. --- "Them yellow jackets keep the tired man from slacking." -Clutch, The Incomparable Mr. Flannery Pics- photobucket.com/albums/a346/MrPinstripes/ |
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Post by vitg on Aug 9, 2007 2:09:12 GMT -5
From: MrPinstripes | Posted: 10/27/2005 6:53:45 PM | Message Detail
The Ruf BTR is insane. I've been eyeballing mine (one in dark green and the
other in silver) since everyone started driving them again, and I got the chance
for a few uninterrupted laps tonight.
I washed & oiled my green one (it has several hundred miles on it, all A-Spec),
added in my driver ballast, and headed for the 'Ring. I also tuned the camber to
1.5F/2.5R, but everything else was stock.
I started off on N3 tires for two laps to get used to the car again, then
switched over to S3s to try to break my old record. My first clean lap ended at
7'26.0xx, and I was up on that by two seconds at Hohe Acht before I bit it in
the Pflanzgartens.
The lap after that I hit very well. I won't say I nailed it, since I almost lost
control before and through Miss-Hit-Miss and had a wideish line through several
corners, but it was a very clean lap.
Current best BTR time: 7'21.293 (S3, oil, driver, no aids). I think I can break
7'20, maybe even 7'18.
Flibutz- Thanks for clocking in so damn fast. It's really pushing me to improve
my driving. I've been getting complacent in recent months.
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"Them yellow jackets keep the tired man from slacking." -Clutch, The
Incomparable Mr. Flannery
From: oldguy1957 | Posted: 10/27/2005 7:56:55 PM | Message Detail
Chaparral 2D
Six minutes flat, Mr. P? Perhaps. But not in MY hands. I managed a 6'20.8, and
could see, maybe, another five seconds if I did everything right. But then
again, it's hard to say in this car.
There were times when I felt I had it really dialed in, like flying around
Schwedenkruez at 170 mph. And other times that I really wasn't sure if I could
have pushed it harder or not.
What's the opposite of driving aids? I can't grasp the right word, but the 2D
has 'em. I felt like the car had a will of its own, and that I had to wrestle it
into submission...to bend it to MY will. The times when I was able to do that,
it was quite obedient, and slid ever-so-gently around corners that make many a
race car very skittish. Other times, like when I caught just a tad too much
curb, it would leap free of my restraints and run willy-nilly until I was once
again able to regain some semblance of domination.
I've driven the car before, but not on the Ring. I don't like the three-speed
transmission at all. I gives it a strange feel...difficult to judge its speed
until you reach the "oops" gear.
At least it has better brakes than the 2J. It's a ride that makes the heart go
pitty-patter. But I wouldn't choose it for a fun-run.
Now, off to check out the HPA.
There's so much RUFitis going around, I might have to check into that, too.
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The best laid plans of mice and men, often go astray.
From: viperx2002 | Posted: 10/28/2005 5:06:43 AM | Message Detail
Driving Impediments?
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"The greatest burden is great potential" - Charles M. Schulz
From: Flibutz | Posted: 10/28/2005 5:59:02 AM | Message Detail
Mr.P. - Nice BTR time! Especially with the driver ballast on board, I didn't use
it. Breaking 7'20 sounds like a great challenge, doable but not easy at all.
Fun fact: You can slap an additional wing on RUF BTR. The original one stays.
Obvious consequence: It looks VERY stupid.
I haven't had much GT time in the last few days, and that has been mostly 2
player gaming with my sister's son (whatever it is in english, nephew?). We had
some great races at Costa Di Amalfi, I was driving a Stratos Rally Car and he
used a JGTC Garaiya.
The winter is arriving here and there's already some snow although it's probably
going to melt away soon. I hate cold, dark and snow so I don't like Finland all
that much during the long winter.
Last time I drove the 2D was in the All-American Championship for 200-pointers.
Amar or someone else suggested that in the 200pt journal. That was with min
downforce and it worked great. Not sure if I've ever driven it on the 'Ring. But
it is a great car, that much is certain. And I remember loving its sound at low
revs.
That Auto Union is just insane. I tried it on the 'Ring some time ago and gave
up. Maybe I wasn't ready.
I'll get started with the RR™ and WR™ tomorrow.
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Currently suffering from a bad case of O.R.S.
From: viperinthegrass | Posted: 10/28/2005 6:32:49 AM | Message Detail
RR™ Chapparal 2D
I was going to run a couple of laps, manged to finish one for a 6' 45.xxx.
It was hard work with a DS2, I am a bit tired so I should wait till I can
concentrate a bit better. Nice car, sounds good, looks good, but how come it is
so fast for that horsepower? Amazing.
Rather than drop in a short boring post heres one I prepared earlier
............
'RufMania' or “How I stopped Worrying and Learned To love the Drift”
Nurse Ratched : “I think he is coming round Herr Doktor”
VITG : “Did anyone get the number of that truck, what happened?”
Dr. Van Pelt : “ Entschuldigen Bitte, I thought you were having a psychotic
episode, Nurse Ratched explained to me. Apparently her boyfriend is a driving
enthusiast and she understood what you were babbling about.
I have decided I will help you. I believe with aversion therapy and medication I
can cure you of this obsession”.
VITG : “Cure me ? I don't want to be cured! I just want to stop feeling bad
about it!”
Dr. VP : “Scheise! Very well, ve shall begin! Do you have dreams?”
VITG : “I have this nightmare all the time, I am chasing this Demon Wind, but he
is always just out of reach, he is wreathed in smoke and cackling maniacally,
and no matter what I do I cannot quite catch him!”
Dr. VP : “ How do you feel about zat?”
VITG : “Frustrated and inadequate”
Dr. VP : “Ach so, very interesting. What is your earliest memory of driving?”
VITG : “ My rich cousin had a Scalextric track set up in his “spare lounge” and
he occasionally let me play with him, but if I won he would switch it off. My
family were poor and I never had many toys, I had to make do with empty cotton
reels, ice cream sticks and rubber bands.”
Dr. VP : “ How do you feel about zat”
VITG : “Inadequate and frustrated”
Dr. VP : “ I think I can see a pattern developing here, güt! Your time is up for
today, but come back next week and I will have a therapy worked out, in the
meantime keep repeating to youself “ there are probably 5 billion people in the
world who are worse drivers than me” Aufwiedersehn”.
From: Onikaze | Posted: 10/28/2005 7:00:55 AM | Message Detail
Wind Demon, in Japanese the Surname order is reversed.
I'll be driving some later, taken a break while sick.
I'll see about setting a new BTR time, pick up a 2D...and yes, even that Golf.
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If I wanted to play as a girly and whiny emo guy I'd play one of the single
player FF games.BlackBladeRune on MGS2
From: sackedagain | Posted: 10/28/2005 10:49:22 AM | Message Detail
Oops, the HPA R32 is not a production car. But is that really the rule?
I know the WR™ is my creation and I should be an authority on this issue. But
the memory can get sort of fuzzy these days. It seems to me, we limited the WR™
to street legal cars.
And, now that I'm thinking about it, I've remembered the reason the HPA32 should
NOT be allowed. The engine whine is not street legal and would never make it
past the Ring marshalls' noise test.
Oh well. I yield to public opinion, including the valued opinion of the wind
demon. My other choice for the WR™ was the MG TF160. To maintain the integrity
of the WR™, perhaps we should drop the HPA in favor of the brit?
From: rockcreekTT | Posted: 10/28/2005 11:20:24 AM | Message Detail
I suppose "HisRoyalfreekingHighness" (was that what they called you several
diaries ago???) could over rule yourself and allow the VW, but for Oni's sake,
go with the MG.
From: viperx2002 | Posted: 10/28/2005 11:24:30 AM | Message Detail
*snicker* Demon Wind
Ahem. Got that out of my system.
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From: Onikaze | Posted: 10/28/2005 12:22:58 PM | Message Detail
An MG eh?
It is true that the HPA wouldn't be allowed.
I guess I'll try them both out, odds are I'll spend a good deal more time in the
MG though.
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From: Amarynceus | Posted: 10/28/2005 12:30:32 PM | Message Detail
rockcreekTT -- the title was "King Sackedagain Himfrigginself (KSAHFS)" and it
had its origins in the "Test Course Diary" which was spawned by our cutest and
fuzziest resident troll, Gravijah. (Who has since gone to Parts Unknown...)
Anyway, I'll definitely take both cars out to the track.
From: oldguy1957 | Posted: 10/28/2005 12:31:54 PM | Message Detail
I already drove the HPA late last night, and thought it was a very fun car. I
think Oni would enjoy it, too, since it was quite tail-happy. I can't, for the
life of me, remember what my time was, but I remember that I never did really
put in a completely clean lap. I tended to bounce off armcos on the exits of
turns trying to get it to slide a little more.
I used Oni's advice from a different car to try to run the rear wheels of
drifters in the groove instead of the front, and it seemed to work out quite
well most of the time. It was also convenient that, as a 4WD, it didn't mind a
little off-road excursion now and then. Much different than the 2D (which I had
driven only moment before hopping into the HPA), which screamed with
disobedience every time a wheel even touched the green stuff.
I certainly wouldn't mind having a second WR to drive, though. So I'll probably
pick up the other one tonight and give it a try.
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The best laid plans of mice and men, often go astray.
From: MrPinstripes | Posted: 10/28/2005 1:15:01 PM | Message Detail
Sacked- I was just commenting on the HPA's impressive performance (and
Polyphony's impressive oversight of charging us 32k for it), not trying to force
a renege. Now I feel sorta guilty...
I think that, given that we're not driving in the real world, we should be able
to suspend the real-world noise regulations (at least this once). We probably
already blew it with the Buick Special, anyway.
On a mostly unrelated note, I think MG has the second-best British Racing Green,
behind Jaguar.
Later.
From: Onikaze | Posted: 10/28/2005 2:12:28 PM | Message Detail
Well, I lied, I didn't pick up an HPA R32 yet.
I hopped in the MG and found it to be very eager to be pushed, in fact it seemed
like it wanted to be shaken like a child being watched by a British Nanny.
Very fitting.
Slow though, but very nice to slide around on N1's.
Then I decided to see how I did in the Ruf BTR again, it's been so long after
all.
Slapped N1's on, right away found the psychotic handling that we've all grown to
love.
Turned a 9'00 flat.
Put S3's on it, and at first found myself trying to resort to the "lift throttle
and suggest a direction" technique before I remembered it will actually turn on
S3's, all the grip they have.
Did quite possibly the most awesome Drift I've ever done (the bottom of the hill
past T8, the double right with the sand trap, either the entrance of
Pflanzgarten, or Tiergarten, depending on the map you look at) just trying to
enter like I normally do (tap, lift, turn, pray) and wound up going sideways
past the first right at 90 mph, tires smoking like mad, and ended lined up to
drive out of the next right like I had meant to do that.
Which, of course, I did.
7'29, too much reflex drifting to trim the time down, but I'm sure if I stopped
trying to smoke the tires off so much I could trim that down to a 7'20 pretty
easily....
But it's just sooo much fun swinging that car around.
So I put N3's back on, remembered how they give you just enough grip to really
get you in trouble, but not as much as the Superman S3's to actually haul you
around the corner.
Ran an 8'00 flat and I was happy with it.
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Post by vitg on Aug 9, 2007 2:14:04 GMT -5
From: wanderingmuse22 | Posted: 10/28/2005 6:01:37 PM | Message Detail
I love the MG's. I'm so glad someone picked one for WR, even if it's as a result
of disqualification. I thought they were FF the first time I looked at one, so I
skipped them. Upon further review they're MR, and a lot of fun to drive.
Connoisseurs may note that MG's British Racing Green is not too shabby. I went
with the LeMans green for mine though. I would really like to see the MG TF160
and the Hommel Berlinette in a race, they seem suited for it.
If you bother with the one make race, the prize car MGF 97 (you could refresh a
used one, too) has even more oversteer than the TF160, and is an entertaining
ride in itself.
As for the legality of the HPA Golf, anyone care to slap on slicks and a wing
and challenge the Delta S4 with it? That would push it into BR status, and
therefore welcome, no?
From: wanderingmuse22 | Posted: 10/28/2005 6:12:41 PM | Message Detail
MrPinstripes, my apologies, I see I'm late in pointing out MG's lovely BR Green.
You were who I had in mind when I mentioned it. Ah well.
Thank goodness it's Friday, eh?
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From: oldguy1957 | Posted: 10/28/2005 10:00:40 PM | Message Detail
I had a TF 160 in my garage, so I used that one. It is black (anthracite), so I
apparently got it when I was in my "black cars are always fastest" stage.
It was a fun ride...another "see how long I can keep my foot pegged to the
floor" car. I'm tempted to add a hundred hp and see how it drives. I think it
would be a scary, but very fun drive! My best lap, which was pretty clean, was
an 8'46.9.
I've been interested in all the RUF-mania going around lately, so I designated
tonight as RUFriday. I had three of them, and bought the other two. I just ran
each of them a couple of laps, so my times were not what they would be if I
spent more time with just one of them, but the results are as follows (all on
the S3's they come with):
3400 RS
lap time - 7'45.5
RTP - 111
BTR
lap time - 7'34.4
RTP - 144
RGT
lap time - 7'31.1
RTP - 130
CTR "Yellow Bird"
lap time - 7'25.4
RTP - 181
CTR2
lap time - 7'25.9
RTP - 169
I thought the RGT was, by far, the most fun to drive. I'd like to drop the
CTR2's 522 hp into the 3400S. Now THAT would be a fun ride!!
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From: wanderingmuse22 | Posted: 10/28/2005 10:15:25 PM | Message Detail
I honestly don't think the S3's do the RUF's justice. It's too much grip for
what the RR cars need to do. I realize S2's aren't a sharp decrease, but to me,
S2's feel faster.
The velocity feels liberated, not pinned down but set free, forward. Getting the
back end out (with brake taps) in the CTR2, and taking Mutkurve at least 10 mph
than I'd ever taken it (in a production car) in the RGT sold me on the S2's.
Maybe it's a matter of grip familarity. Has anyone else tried them and gotten
faster?
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From: oldguy1957 | Posted: 10/28/2005 10:46:52 PM | Message Detail
Maybe I'll give S2's a try tomorrow night. Anything that loosens the back up on
either of the CTR's would be an improvement. Maybe S3's front and S2's back?
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From: Onikaze | Posted: 10/29/2005 5:39:51 AM | Message Detail
Oh, you can slide the rear on S3's.
Just gotta be violent about it.
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From: MrPinstripes | Posted: 10/29/2005 6:08:38 AM | Message Detail
I prefer the Rufs on N3 tires. Anything less than that and they start to lose
too much front-end grip (remember, I grip-race them, so I need the front end to
be there), anything better than that and the grip balance starts to get a little
too aggressive-feeling.
What I mean by that last bit is on N3s, the RR Rufs will oversteer when you lift
the throttle and understeer when you're on it. On increasingly grippy tires, it
goes to OVERSTEER! on lift and UNDERSTEER! under power. The Ford GT works the
same way, but it will tolerate a wider range of tires without such a dramatic
effect.
I might not get a chance to take either the MG or the HPA out this weekend. I
remember I hated the MGF (License Test IB-10 might have something to do with
that), but thought the TF was fun. Halloween tonight and Grandma-visitin'
tomorrow, and all that.
Later.
From: MrPinstripes | Posted: 10/29/2005 11:50:54 AM | Message Detail
I was wrong. My chance to play came early this afternoon, with the work finished
and the wife and child shopping. I picked up a new MG-TF in (you guessed it)
British Racing Green.
I only got one lap in, though, and it wasn't a pretty one. I didn't wreck the
car, but hundreds of poor grass blades are now orphans. This was due to my
sloppiness rather than any fault of the MG's.
I expected the TF to be a more spirited ride. I was taken aback by the
overwhelmingly "ho-hum" acceleration and very surprised by the ultra-neutrality
of its handling. The handling I like, but another 100 horsepower or so would
help keep my attention where it belongs.
I must have really improved with rear-heavy cars since I drove this last. I
remember barely tolerating the TF's "violent oversteer", and the F was "totally
undriveable". Then again, the TF seems supremely well-balanced, so I might be
remembering things crooked. I'll have to drive the F again and see if my tune
needs changing or not.
Initial time: 9'08.3 (N2, oil, driver, no aids)
Later, all.
From: Onikaze | Posted: 10/29/2005 12:50:11 PM | Message Detail
I was reading Initial D today (yeah, I know) and decided I had to go master the
Trueno S.S. Edition.
Got an 8'44 on N3, Drifting less like a mad man than you might think.
Heck, the kitten came up and fell asleep in my lap as I was driving, I must have
been putting myself into a Zen state trying to recreate Taks driving.
Quite fun sliding all 4 wheels through Schwedenkruz at 120 or so MPH though.
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If I wanted to play as a girly and whiny emo guy I'd play one of the single
player FF games.BlackBladeRune on MGS2
From: Flibutz | Posted: 10/29/2005 2:19:27 PM | Message Detail
I drove the HPA today. I was going to do the MG and Chaparral too, but I kind of
got stuck on the HPA. I just fell in love with it right away, this doesn't
happen often with 4WD cars.
What surprised me the most was the fact that it has some lift-throttle oversteer
which I think is a very good thing for 4WDs that like to push wide under
acceleration.
Braking performance is another asset, the Golf stops reasonably fast and it
seems almost impossible to destabilize with braking. It just does whatever it's
told so trailbraking is easy and efficient.
Best lap was 7'13.372 and contained one off at miss-hit-miss which turned out to
be a difficult bend with the HPA.
The HPA could be a lot of fun on less grippy tyres. I really liked the 3rd gear
powerslides on S3s.
My MG is in British Racing Green, but it's modded so I'll have to buy a new one.
More on that tomorrow.
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Currently suffering from a bad case of O.R.S.
From: wanderingmuse22 | Posted: 10/29/2005 3:07:58 PM | Message Detail
So here's a question- is the TF160 underpowered or overweight? I'd wager that a
stage 1 weight redux adds the liveliness for which you're looking more than a
stage 1 turbo.
Do I smell a BR? No wait, that's just gas- thank goodness the MG's are
convertibles.
From: jwrebholz | Posted: 10/29/2005 4:52:05 PM | Message Detail
Oni: I was strongly tempted to select the SS Trueno as my last WR pick. It's
TECHNICALLY not a production car though, which is why I ultimately went with the
Mazda6. But yeah, I like it too. Very nimble--and it grip-drives really well
too. (I use a mixture of both to scoot around the track--gripping through some
turns, drifting through others)
I think I'll try both of Sackedagain's cars--the HPA R32 and the MG. I've driven
the R32 before (the production version) and found it to be pleasant if tame.
Never driven the MG though. I wonder if it'll make it all the way around without
breaking down.
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I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that you're a moron.
From: Von | Posted: 10/29/2005 8:21:19 PM | Message Detail
I've got about 5 complete laps on te HPA right now, and I have to say, I cannot
for the life of me get ths thing to be consistent. Sometimes, a tire off into
the grass is no problem, other times it ruins everything.
My main advice is to brake in straight or near straight lines. Once you start to
turn on the brakes, it goes into oversteer mode that is difficult to quell on
the DS2.
Turning off the throttle is interesting too, it seems to have a bit of
oversteer, but to get to it, you have to wade through a swamp of understeer
until the wieght shifts properly.
Turning under throttle is the same way really, understeer until a point, but
once the tires break loose, it swings right around.
I reccomend giving it a try on Tskuba WET. I find it to be one of my favorite
WET cars. Also give the 2d a shot at the wet course. The 3 speed tranny makes
for lots of fun pulling out of turns, when the pedal is to the floor. Half of
the time, shifting up to second will break the tires loose for a split second,
and if you time it right, you can aim for a late exit and actually leave early
because the back end snapped around perfect.
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Tiny subaru versus gigantic german deathring!-Amarynceus
From: ciscrack | Posted: 10/29/2005 10:37:20 PM | Message Detail
Never driven the MG though. I wonder if it'll make it all the way around without
breaking down.
LOL!!!!
From: Onikaze | Posted: 10/30/2005 7:41:47 AM | Message Detail
Man I got one awesome lap drifting pretty much every turn on the Ring last night
with the S.S. Trueno.
I need to get some way to upload videos.
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From: Onikaze | Posted: 10/30/2005 11:27:47 AM | Message Detail
Well, I drove the HPA R32 on N1's, and I hate it.
Throttle on Unsteer, Random Actions when you Lift Throttle.
Peaky Powerband, Ugly as Sin, Sounds like Crap.
I knew there was a reason I never got it as an early car.
Sorry sacked, I can't bring myself to like it.
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Post by vitg on Aug 9, 2007 2:15:44 GMT -5
From: Flibutz | Posted: 10/30/2005 11:47:20 AM | Message Detail I'm very tired from over a week of too little sleep. In fact, I'll go to bed in a minute. I drove the Chaparral and the MG today but I'm too tired to write anything right now. Chaparral 2D time was 6'18.462, MG time was into the low 8'30s. Only wrote the 2D time down but I saved the MG replay so I'll report the exact time tomorrow along with my thoughts on the cars. I have a BR idea. it's not that special but if no one else steps up, I'll post it around this hour tomorrow. We can do my BR later if there are alternatives, it still needs some development testing. --- Currently suffering from a bad case of O.R.S. From: wanderingmuse22 | Posted: 10/30/2005 3:06:45 PM | Message Detail Clean photos of a vintage Trueno www.netwiz.net/~tcar/ctrueno.htmlSide question: Should we mention the 'Ring specific license tests on the thread opening posts? I was tinkering around with them and found a few to be fun, and could see how they'd be helpful, particularly: A-16- RX-7 from karussel through brunchen IB-2- Mercedes SL500 around Aremburg IA-13- BMW M5 through Adenaur-Forst The RX-7 is the Spirit A, which you can buy new. After revisiting the test I had to buy one and turn in some laps on N2's. It's quite the charming ride. From: viperinthegrass | Posted: 10/30/2005 6:04:09 PM | Message Detail WR™ Ah! Holidays, don't you just love them? I have put in some time with MG as well as some more Ruf (S2's) practice. I drove the MG straight after the HPA R32 ( I missed the recall) and it took a couple of laps to adjust, but I am getting ahead of myself, first some quick impressions of the HPA Special. As I am limited to an automatic gearbox the VW was difficult to extract any performance from. To me it felt as if the torque dropped off sharply just when I needed it to “climb” out of corners, and it took an age to kickdown. The steering is a bit ponderous but you can make the back step out with a good jab on the brakes. The car is relatively heavy but I felt it still did not perform as you would expect from the stats. Sort of “strangled” feel, I would like to drive it with a few mods. Maybe the Delta S4 comparo? Hard work to get a clean lap but best so far of 7 ' 31 . 475 The Mg is another sweet little MRkinder, but you are right Muse it needs a visit to Jenny Craig. MyTF160 was also in BRG - Trivia Corner The shade of green which is British Racing Green came about because there was heaps of surplus paint after WW2 and a mix of the Blue and Yellow used by the British Armed Forces ( I don't know the proportions ) = BRG A fun car to drive and I was even starting to throw it sideways before a corner to wash off some speed and open up the exits quicker, the therapy must be starting to kick in. Occasionally overdid it and either ran wide or washed off too much speed but happy with a 8 ' 48 so far. I might go and have some lunch and post again later rather than do one huge post now. Soon From: jwrebholz | Posted: 10/30/2005 6:14:31 PM | Message Detail Oh, I did drive the Chaparral 2D. First off, sexy-looking car. Second off, didn't handle nearly as badly as I was expecting (then again, this is a pureblood RACING CAR, on slick tires). Wasn't nearly as dodgy as some of you were making it out to be. I only spun it once, somewhere in the back section between the two Karussells (dunno the name of the turn, but it was an off-camber downhill left followed immediately by a right). Got a time just over 7 minutes, which for me is blisteringly fast. Playing with the gearing got me to a drag-limited top speed of 208 MPH on the front straight. Still haven't driven the MG. I've been too busy playing with my Trueno again. Oni reminded me of how much I liked that car--I like it almost as much as I like the Solstice. I like the light, nimble cars just as much as I like the big brutish cars. (The 300C is also one of my favorite Ring cars, and it's a BARGE in comparison to either of these) I didn't like the HPA R32 though. I prefer the standard R32. The HPA car just feels like it wasn't properly sorted out, like there was a lot of tweaking and testing that needed done before it was really ready. The car and I just never saw eye to eye. The MG though, I liked. And yes, it made it all the way round. Thank God PD didn't replicate that little feature. I think that's the first time I've driven an MG that didn't mark its territory. --- I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that you're a moron. From: jwrebholz | Posted: 10/30/2005 7:17:47 PM | Message Detail BAH, I'm an idiot. Ignore that bit where I said I didn't drive the MG, I don't know WHY I typed that. It's been a long day, I'm tired, I don't feel like thinking before I type. Bah. From: wanderingmuse22 | Posted: 10/30/2005 7:57:06 PM | Message Detail Two final thoughts on the MG: 1. It's a good "simulation car", much like the Miata. Laps on N2's have an extra pleasure (and some nifty sliding). 2. It's worth a lot of A Spec points in the beginner's cup MR challenge, for those who are so inclined (and skilled). Oldguy, I hope Daunte's alright, but it looks to be a long year for both our teams (Saints and Vikings). Peace. From: viperinthegrass | Posted: 10/30/2005 8:27:38 PM | Message Detail Did I mention the MG handled Flugplatz and Plantzgarten with aplomb? Did a very nice high speed drift out of both. I added a wing and R3 tyres to the HPA VW and to overcome the restrictions of an auto g'box, I also added a FC tranny to make it a fair comparison. I ran with the mods stock except with the wing set at max. no other adjustment yet. Chalk and cheese is the best description of the car after these mods compared to the WR™ version, fabulous! First lap which I fluked a clean one was 6 ' 58. 994 , 32 seconds quicker than the stock HPA and 3 seconds quicker than my Delta S4 time ! Much quicker steering and fun to throw around, (I think you would find it mildly amusing Oni) the FC gearbox really lets you access the potential in this car , with some very impressive exit speeds and there is more to come by some judicious tuning i.e. stretch top gear for DH etc. Personal Notices Thanks to Mr. Pinstripes for Tuning 101, great job. I am going to revisit some of my Race cars and apply what I have learned particularly to the Falcon XR8 Racer which was expensive to buy and handles like a Pig. Fed76 / Amarynceus / Flibutz – thanks for the info on your homes recently, I find it really interesting learning about where other players come from and what it is like on other parts of the Planet. I will prepare a short “Tour guide” of Tasmania and post it later. Thanks to Muse / Sacked / Amar for the web sites. As a recently converted Internet Junky I really appreciate not having to search for interesting stuff ( pre paid Internet access – the clock is always ticking!) Oni – abject apologies I meant no disrespect ( I'm not very bright, but I can lift heavy things!) Now as for VW's consider the following : Design brief – cheap to build and run, mechanically simple air cooled motor, able to go almost anywhere, family vehicle with some luggage capacity – Result VW “Beetle”, pretty good I think. Also no VW probably means no Porsche or Ruf ( a Tragedy ). I am biased as I have owned two VW's , a '64 Beetle and a '76 Passat Wagon, which I not only thrashed mercilessly, but also lived in at weekends for a while. What with buying a Chapparal and a bunch of Rigidity work for the Miatas and S2's for my Ruf therapy I am broke and will have to spend some time at the piggy bank. More later From: MrPinstripes | Posted: 10/31/2005 3:35:41 AM | Message Detail I'll be taking an extended vacation from GT (and any video games), and so won't be coming 'round here much. Mrs Pinstripes and I got into quite an arguement about how I spend my free-time, and as a result, I dismantled my entertainment system, tore my DFP stand apart, and packed all my games/machines up. I would like to pick one more WR (I've been sitting on it for two months), and I have one last goofball BR up my sleeve. If Soulidarity doesn't take this week's WR, I'll snag it (his signature says he's taking a break from GT, so I think it's likely). Since this week's BR already has a claim staked, I'll do one next week. It should be interesting... Have fun, everyone, and keep the rubber side down (not that GT would let us roll a car)! --- "So long, and thanks for all the fish." From: Soulidarity | Posted: 10/31/2005 3:58:12 AM | Message Detail Ya, I'm taking a break from the game right now, and I'm going out of town this coming weekend. I did have a car in mind to throw the ringers this weekend, but considering your situation, I'll gladly pass on the WR, to let sacked pass it to you instead, should he decide to do so. Sorry to hear the wife isn't so supportive of your hobbies, and hope to see you back in the future, Mr. Pinstripes. As for future WRs, I'll still take one, should it be passed my way. I'll eventually start playing again, and in the meantime, I have 4 or 5 cars in mind that I could still throw you guys. --- From: wanderingmuse22 | Posted: 10/31/2005 4:34:20 AM | Message Detail MrPinstripes, as perhaps the best and most frequent contributer here, you will be missed. Good luck and God Bless. I'll be looking forward to the "Last Hurrah" WR and BR. Soulidarity, your ability to pick a WR appears to be jinxed. If you're not careful, it could become a running gag. Peace. --- For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Matthew 24:27 From: Onikaze | Posted: 10/31/2005 5:18:35 AM | Message Detail The Old VW Beetle was RR. The new one is FF. Without the old Beetle, we wouldn't have Porsche 356's, true. Without the old Beetle, we also wouldn't have the funky ass looking Jetta/Passat/Golf of the new gen design language. I didn't mind VW's that much, til they became THE fwd German Car. --- From: Havok3595 | Posted: 10/31/2005 5:23:09 AM | Message Detail Oddly, Mrs. 3595 said to me yesterday that she wanted me to spend more time "without a game controller in my hand". It was symptomatic of another fight, but I too have packed the system away for the nonce. I doubt it will last long, though. I should be lapping the field again in less than a week. Of course, all the progress I made on Opera Paris is therefore for naught...*weeps* --- "I will be cool and creamy. I will have my recommended daily allowance of pie." From: jwrebholz | Posted: 10/31/2005 7:14:38 AM | Message Detail This is one of the things that makes me glad to be single.  --- I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that you're a moron. From: Havok3595 | Posted: 10/31/2005 7:18:55 AM | Message Detail Advantage of being single: Able to do what you want when you want... Disadvantage: ...unless what you want to do involves sex. --- "I will be cool and creamy. I will have my recommended daily allowance of pie." From: Damiensayer | Posted: 10/31/2005 7:32:31 AM | Message Detail Hi Everyone, i have been reading the diaries for quite some time now and have decided to start posting, admittedly i have always avoided a-specing the ring, but i have decided to have a go at some of the ring antics. So i have just picked up a MGTF and slapped some N2's on it and just got a rather embarrassing first lap time of 10'10.798. Now taking it for a few laps hoping to nail under 9 minutes at least. So just out of interest what days are the WR BR and RR's normally posted? Jump |
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From: sackedagain | Posted: 10/31/2005 7:47:31 AM | Message Detail Glad most enjoyed the MG. Amused by all the british racing green choices. We are a traditional sort, aren't we. It sounds as if the HPA provided the handling challenge I expected. Mr. P, would you like us to talk to Mrs. P? I think this small misunderstanding could be cleared up rather easily. In the meantime, please pick the next WR™ for Soulidarity. From: Damiensayer | Posted: 10/31/2005 7:57:38 AM | Message Detail Well i placed some s2's on the MGTF and got better results. best lap with s2's was 9'36.331 The MG seems to be fun to use with the n2's on as it drifts round alot of the corners. Obviously the s2's are alot better for speed and make that MG stick to the road a treat. Might take the chapparel 2d out for a spin. My times are still well away from being good, but i hope to be fixing my a-spec skills on the ring. Any tips on a good car for me to burn around the ring in just to improve on? needs to be something that i wont get bored with. From: oldguy1957 | Posted: 10/31/2005 9:24:40 AM | Message Detail Damiensayer--Welcome to "da diaries"! As for a suggested car for some Ring seat time, I guess that depends on how fast you want to go. Oni would probably suggest any Lotus Elise, which is good if you don't mind the back sliding around a little. For something a little more stable (but also less exciting), try the latest Nissan 350 Z (or whatever they call it now). Seat time in ANYTHING is what you need. Learning the entire 13 miles takes many hours of practice. You may also want to redo the license tests which are conducted on the Ring (some of which I think are referenced a page or two ago), and try to get gold on them, or at least silver. The days that the different "riders" are announced are all in the first post. Please reference that for additional information. Mr. P and Havok--I am blessed by having a wife who understands human nature. The fact that she has been a psychiatrist for over 20 doesn't hurt either. She is very happy that I have a hobby such at GT4. She understands that everyone needs a place to go, mentally, to escape the stress and pressures of real life, no matter how big or small those pressures may be. It helps keep us mentally healthy and happy, and in turn helps us to be better husbands, fathers and just better people in general. Some pretend to find this "escape" in a bottle. The spouses of gamers should be thankful that we find it in a game controller, instead. From: oldguy1957 | Posted: 10/31/2005 9:30:13 AM | Message Detail Ahem...the above post should read that my wife has been a psychiatrist for over 20 *YEARS*. I need to proof my posts more carefully before I post them. --- The best laid plans of mice and men, often go astray. From: Havok3595 | Posted: 10/31/2005 9:36:22 AM | Message Detail Oh, Mrs. 3595 didn't have (and never has had) too much problem with me playing games. It's just that she occasionally has problems with me playing them too much, which is a valid complaint. Note I said "more time without a controller..." not "no time with a controller". The decision to pack it in for the nonce was about 50%-75% me. --- "I will be cool and creamy. I will have my recommended daily allowance of pie." From: Onikaze | Posted: 10/31/2005 9:38:26 AM | Message Detail Advantage of being single: Able to do what you want when you want... Disadvantage: ...unless what you want to do involves sex. ZOMG! OWNED! HOOYDONK'D! My woman thinks I'm adorable when I'm playing GT4, sawing the wheel around like a madman, telling her about cars, and asking her to watch me fast forward through 10 minutes of replay just to see that one perfect drift. I'm gonna get her playing it one of these days. --- From: jwrebholz | Posted: 10/31/2005 10:36:00 AM | Message Detail I didn't say there weren't disadvantages. Welcome, Damiensayer! Nice to see some new folks around here. The kinds of cars that are best for learning this track's ins and outs are cars that are quick enough to be interesting but not so fast as to get you into a lot of trouble. I'd recommend starting off with the Mazda6 5-door--it's a predictable but still enjoyable FF hatchback with an endearing personality and a tight suspension. It has some power-on understeer like every other FF car, but lift and she settles down and tracks through most turns with surprising ability. It's the best FF car I've driven in the game. The Skyline GT-R V-spec Nur is another good choice (and also a recent Weekend Rider). It's got tons more power than the Mazda, all-wheel-drive and way more traction than it probably should have. The most skilled of us can break into the high 7-minute range with this car. I can't seem to get under 8 minutes. I'd also personally recommend the Lancer Evolution VIII RS--it's lighter than the Skyline, so it's more niimble. It's also more tolerant of off-track excursions than most cars. I also enjoy the Chrysler 300C--it's kind of a barge, but you can hang the tail out with ease and tuck it back in without issue. You DO have to brake earlier than in most cars though on account of the 300's 4,100-lb curb weight. (The Jaguar S-type R is a barge in a similar vein, though it feels a bit lighter than it is, so if you liked the 300, try the Jag!) I would avoid the more temperamental cars that we've had as WRs--like the Lotus Elise or Lancia Stratos--at least until you have more experience. Those two cars will handle spectacularly if you have the skills, but if you don't treat them properly, they are punishing to drive. I'd also avoid taking any muscle car out on the 'Ring unmodified. These cars weren't built to handle--and most of them, due to short-geared 4 speed transmissions, top out at around 120 MPH. You'll be bouncing off the rev limiter on even some of the short straights, and their narrow bias-ply tires don't offer much traction. (The tires on the Superbird, for example, are SEVEN INCHES WIDE) --- I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that you're a moron. From: oldguy1957 | Posted: 10/31/2005 12:48:52 PM | Message Detail "The tires on the Superbird, for example, are SEVEN INCHES WIDE" YIKES!! No wonder it was so hard to get it to turn for the Seattle Driving Mission!! --- The best laid plans of mice and men, often go astray. From: Soulidarity | Posted: 10/31/2005 1:57:05 PM | Message Detail Just an interesting note, oldguy. Even though you left out the word "years" in that post, I still read the word as if it were there. When I saw your correction, I had to go back and check to see that you actually did miss it. wierd. --- From: sackedagain | Posted: 10/31/2005 1:57:30 PM | Message Detail Good question DS. I learned Nurburgring in the M3 and the M5. Both take some skill to handle, but still leave you free to concentrate on learning the Ring. I think it makes sense to divide the track into quarters. My quarters are: 1. T13 to the bridge past Aremberg. Pay particular attention to Hatzenbach. Great laps always begin with a rhythmic dance through the esses. Then learn the turn in at Schwedenkreuz so that it becomes second nature. You don't want to be on the brakes; even grippers like myself have learned how to ride the edge here. 2. Fuchsrohre through Ex-muhle. All good lap times require success at Adenauer Forst. But equally important is to maintain your balance through Kallenhardt, where the camber of the road and lack of run-off will scrape your speed off, as well as your paint job. Miss-hit-miss the kerb on the double right as you head down the hill towards Wehrseifen. As the hotel approaches, find a good line through Breidscheid over the bridge, so that you can accelerate hard out of Ex-Muhle. 3. Ex-Muhle through Karrussel . Bergwek is the trickiest corner in this section. Again the camber throws you against the armco if you are late (or early) into the corner. With the long uphill that follows, you have to be powering out of Bergwerk to make a good time. Fly from there all the way through to the tight u-turn below Karrussell. There is one little bend left before Klostertal that you will miss for awhile. Then you won't and everything will be okay. 4. Hohe Acht through Galgenkoph . Some may disagree with me. I see this whole stretch as one piece. My latest take on this section--get the exits right. Because every time you do, the next turn-in is lined up and waiting. Don't be afraid to be fast, but it is all about command of the car. 5. I thought you said quarters. The rest of the Ring is pure speed. Hold it as long as you can, right up into Hoherain. Use the entrance road on the left just before the final chicane to get a good line up the hill. Also, get a guide. Amar has a good selection on the first page. I use the eurocircuit guide which I printed out from luuk.xs4all.nl/ring/. Then take your guide on a sightseeing tour. Stop the car, get out. Look at the turn signs. Compare them to your guide. Look at the trees, sheds, telephone poles and writing on the road. To get all of the Ring, you have to visit every foot of it along the way. I didn't get Bergwerk until I stopped at the bottom of the hill and looked over the edge on a photo run. Turns out the kid from Deliverance lives down there playing the banjo. Now, for some reason, I rarely hit the wall anymore. From: sackedagain | Posted: 10/31/2005 2:14:53 PM | Message Detail Amar: Laughed out loud at the Test Course Diary reset. As a fan of Gravijah, I was flattered when he started that thread, but I didn't post. Someone here--though not recently--took it upon themselves to defend me. (Also flattering, but clearly not necessary). This was back in pre-revolutionary days, when I still decided who picked the WR™ etc. Of course, nothing could have pleased the troll in Gravijah more. He responded that he would not end the 'Ourse Diary unless KingSackedAgainHimFrigginSelf asked him to do so. At that point, I felt compelled to post a diary entry on his thread describing soft stools and a prostate exam. Oddly, the thread died out soon after... From: Whammy10 | Posted: 10/31/2005 3:49:45 PM | Message Detail RR- Chaparral 2D Oh boy, this thing was a beast. I had used the car previously for top speed runs at the Test Course, and had forgotten to take the minimum downforce, maximum speed gear ratios off. I did a 6:39 with the car never getting out of 2nd gear, even at 207 mph. Once I fixed that and went to a default setup, I turned a 6:19.932. Had to turn about 6 laps to get it though. Not sure what tires I was on, though. --- "Strategery"- A word falsely attributed to President Bush by the New York Post From: wanderingmuse22 | Posted: 10/31/2005 4:40:31 PM | Message Detail Damien, sackedagain's advice on learning the 'Ring may be the best you'll find. Take your time and learn. The sites listed on the front page of this thread are excellent. I went to Ben Lovejoy's site to learn the bend names and came away fan of his writing. His trip reports of real life "Ringing" charming. You don't have to learn the bend names by heart to master the 'Ring, but catching on to the main ones will help you digest the "lap talk" here. As for cars, when I stopped b-spec'ing the 'Ring and "buckled down" to learn my way around it, I used the Lotus Elan. It's the prize car from the Lotus Classics Cup if you don't have it already. Any Miata is a good choice, as is any BMW. I found that by starting slow, I was able to get a feel for the course. Over time I worked my way up to faster cars, until finally I realized I'd learned the course. I was thrilled the first time I broke the 8 minute mark, in an Aston Martin DB9. You may find that heavy cars serve you well when learning to lap the 'Ring at high speeds. Welcome and good luck, regardless. From: viperinthegrass | Posted: 10/31/2005 4:52:08 PM | Message Detail RR™ Didjaavagoodweegend? Today, the first Tuesday in November is Melbourne Cup Day. This is a Horse Race for which the WHOLE Country stops, I kid you not. Every office and work site has Cup sweeps running and at 3 p.m. everybody stops work to listen to the radio or watch the race on TV. So I thought in keeping with the Raceday theme I would try the Chapparal again. I applied some theory from Tuning 101 ( thanks again to Mr. P ) and ended up with a very sweet handling, stable Racecar. It's level of grip and incredibly high exit speeds remind me of the Formula GranTurismo. Once I had negotiated Flugplatz, the only spot it gets anywhere near squirrely, it is an awesome ride. Highly recommended. So far best lap of 6' 37 . 863 without fine tuning the Gearbox and with one mowing excursion at the exit of Galgenkopf, although this did not seem to cost much speed. It is also easy to do controlled slides, although I did not really notice this until I watched the replay ( may I recommend “Scissor Sisters” self titled, as replay music?) Mr. Pinstripes, sorry to hear you have been pressured to lay off playing, my Wife is a Psychologist ( like a Pyschiatrist only they dont charge as much!) and understands the valuable service Adult games play in keeping the Brain active through problem solving as well as the feeling of belonging to a community of like minded individuals. I tend to play later at night or when there is no one around, so I do not have much trouble there. My wife is also becoming interested and gets very concerned when I crash, she also loves the look of some cars. Hope you are back soon. Bye for now. From: Onikaze | Posted: 10/31/2005 5:07:14 PM | Message Detail Good cars to learn in. R34 Skylines, very forgiving, yet fast, and good fun on all types of tires. Elises (for those twitchy cars you will inevitably wind up driving) they are a challenge, but they flow so well, I recommend starting with the Type 72 (won from the Lotus Elise 1 make race) it's an excellent gripper. BMW 330i, slow enough to be controllable, quick enough to be fun, I believe I once referred to it as one of the best cars us average shmucks could afford from the game. BMW Z4, see above, but convertible. the 1989 Miata (NA) from the Classic Car Lot, refresh it, change the oil, turn the aids of, put N1 tires on it, and just have fun caning that little car around as hard as you can, it can take it, and more. When you start feeling cocky, crab a Ruf BTR and put it on S1 or N3 tires, and it will show you just how far you have to go, but it will also DRAMATICALLY show improvements in your skill/knowledge of lines and corners. Cars like the Rufs and Skylines on lower grade tires are ballistic, meaning, once you get on a trajectory, there is little you can do to change it, so you have to make sure you're on the right one the first time. It is REALLY satisfying to complete a perfect drift run with an R34 V-Spec II Nur, or Ruf CTR on N1 through N3 tires and then sit back and watch the replay in awe of your own badassness. I STILL mess up sometimes, just getting too cocky, or getting the car too wound up, but it's A LOT of fun to drift the ring. I also recommend, quite highly, the S.S. AE86 (yeah, the Initial D car) it's ugly, but once you can drift that thing smoothly around the Ring on N1's, you will be good. --- |
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