The Nürburgring Diaries Archives Volume XV

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viperinthegrass
Posted 1/10/2007 8:46:57 PM

Cripes ! You cheeky young
whippersna....Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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I Liked The Viperinthegrass So Much, I Bought The Company!


Gamer3241
Posted 1/10/2007 9:03:34 PM
"3. I must not poke Gamer with a stick during recess because
I am jealous.
XDXDXD"

how did it take you to come up with that rule?
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Kage Bunshin no Jutsu


wanderingmuse22
Posted 1/12/2007 6:18:43 AM
message detail um,

*bump*

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For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so
will be the coming of the Son of Man. Matthew 24:27


ciscrack
Posted 1/12/2007 9:43:55 AM
I don't know how it could go in the BR, but has anyone
driven the CTR2 at the Ice Arena? It might be just the place for that
underteering tart of a car to feel at home.

I completey missed that post. Did you try it yet Muse? Maybe I'll put
GTA:SA away for a few minutes just for kicks. See how well I drive w/ my
new assortment of space age acid rap I've been listening to. Check the vid
below if you want a taste.

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www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JV4kK9grFw
photobucket.com/albums/a282/ciscrack/?sc=1


ciscrack
Posted 1/12/2007 3:26:16 PM
RUF CTR2 Ice Arena

Normal- 52.038 Not completely clean, but passable. It feels heavier than
Mr. Yellow and seems like the acceleration is a bit slower, but it also
isn't constantly trying to break traction like its 'bird brother. Early
braking is necessary as always. It still feels understeery too, maybe even
more so because of the icy surface, yadadamean?

Reverse- 51.325 Exceptionally clean lap for this time. Almost as fast as
my Santa's Helper BR Skyline, but felt way more in control.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JV4kK9grFw
photobucket.com/albums/a282/ciscrack/?sc=1


wanderingmuse22
Posted 1/14/2007 7:16:39 AM
I have not tried it yet, but I hope to soon. I love
convertibles on the ice, have you tried any of those? Oh, which reminds
me...

If you were to be a pimp, in which WR would you cruise around looking
fabulous?

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For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so
will be the coming of the Son of Man. Matthew 24:27


computerboi99
Posted 1/14/2007 7:26:10 AM
Almost as fast as my Santa's Helper BR Skyline, but felt
way more in control.

Yes this is a n00bish question, but I'm not sure what you're talking
about.....can you post pics/explain please?

(I'm such a n00b, I was just skimming through the topics)

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"Yo motha's boobs!" Me


computerboi99
Posted 1/14/2007 7:27:14 AM
Sorry for double post, I'm looking for answers on just hte
Santas Helper Skyline.
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"Yo motha's boobs!" Me


ciscrack
Posted 1/14/2007 9:11:54 AM
Repost for compeuterboi

viperinthegrass
Posted 12/22/2006 2:46:48 PM
message detail Santa's Little Helper Budget Rider™

Rudolph has done it this time.
The long night of delivering was nearly over too, just a few deliveries at
Adenau, a couple of Villages around Nürburg and Santa could call it a
night.
That was until Rudolph spotted the "Adenau Egg Nog & Karaoke Bar".
"Hey let’s pop in there for a quick snort " said Rudolph. Big mistake.

Santa returns to find his Sled unattended and what sounds like a riot
happening in a nearby Bar. Peering through the window he looks on a scene
of total devastation.
Blitzen is blitzed, Dasher is trying to pick a fight with some Japanese
businessmen, and Cupid is absolutely blind and chatting up a hat stand in
the corner. Comet is crying drunk and belting out his version of “My Way”
on the stage. Rudolph is unconscious on the floor, his nose glowing and
filling the Bar with an eerie Red Light.

“Scheisse” says Santa, “WTF do I do now?”
Then he spots YOUR Car outside the Bar.

viperinthegrass
Posted 12/23/2006 6:52:33 PM
message detail Santa's Little Helper Budget Rider™

So you agree to help Santa out by giving him a ride, but time is short and
this will be no easy task.
Your Car can be any one you chose except Racecars.
You have had an unlimited Budget to develop your Car; no expense has been
spared.
Due to the Magic of Christmas, Santa Claus and his Toysack add no weight
to your car.

As you fire up your Pride and Joy and Santa squeezes into the passenger
seat, he informs you that to finish his nights work you have only 7 ‘ 15
to complete a lap of the Nürburgring. He will take care of dropping of the
presents along the way, no stops.

“7 ‘ 15 ? a piece of Cake” I hear you say, “That’s a doddle. Vitg has
really lost the plot this time” are some of the more printable comments,
BUT there is a twist.

A real Christmas needs Snow and Ice ( we could sure use some here to put
those damn bushfires out !) so –

You will need to complete one lap of Ice Arena as well.
Total combined time target - 7 ‘ 15 or less.You may detune your Car for
the Ice lap, but no less than 540 Hp.
Cookies awarded for clean laps.

Good Luck and try not to kill Santa.

It is Christmas Eve here in Oz, so I am off shortly for some Family get
togethers, which will involve copious quantities of food and alcohol. So I
would like to take this opportunity to wish everyone a Merry Christmas,
have a very safe and happy time.


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www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JV4kK9grFw
photobucket.com/albums/a282/ciscrack/?sc=1


ciscrack
Posted 1/14/2007 9:13:01 AM
Repost for computerboi

ciscrack
Posted 12/26/2006 11:40:37 AM
Santa's little helper BR

Mulling over my choices for this event, I couldn't figure out which car
would be most capable of completing the trip in the alloted time. And to
make the diecision a little more difficult was trying to find a car that I
was allowed to put snow tires on. I thought about using a Viper, but was
unsure of stability at high speeds at Nurb'. My faved Yellowbird would end
up killing Santa in a heartbeat. A Subaru? No. Ok, fine, I'll go with a
Skyline even though I don't really want to. So I took my special Ciscrack
Flyin' Skyline Edition 2002 GT-R V-Spec II Nur. Upgrade to the max w/ race
exhaust, chip, original turbo/intercooler, port polish, engine balance,
displacemnet up, drivetrain mods, weight redux, brakes and R5's. Hp listed
at 868.
I really don't want to tell the whole story of not killing Santa. I don't
want to relive that experience as I don't want to spend the next 10 yrs.
in therapy. I did it. it wasn't easy, and the car's a little bashed up,
but all the children are happy.
Time 6'22.880


Ice Arena
At some of the higher delivery points on the trip, I noticed snow falling
and the road becoming increasingly more white. I pulled over to de-tune my
Santa's Sleigh of Doom. I open up the hood, pulled off some of the velcro
strips on my engine, replacing the original turbo w/ a stage 2 and I
stripped the chip. And of course I had to pull out the set on snow tires I
had stashed in the super secret compartment in the trunk(I've had 12 dead
bodies..... errr... forget that). SO now I'm riding w/ 555hp.
I'm glad this section was short, cause if it was any longer, I might've
had a heart attack. And Santa as well. The rear bumper did exactly what
it's name says it should, but there weren't any really hard bumps. I
finally got through w/ Santa finishing his deliveries in 51.037

Total time 7'13.917

Bartender! One bourbon, one scotch, one beer!

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[vitg]

wanderingmuse22
Posted 1/16/2007 9:32:07 PM
How realistic are the race cars?

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For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so
will be the coming of the Son of Man. Matthew 24:27


viperinthegrass
Posted 1/16/2007 10:27:00 PM
G'day all, I am back. Got tied up with a few things but
managed to escape.

Well, the first round of the GT1, GT2 & GT3 Tourni I am in is completed,
did all right too. Second, third and sixth respectively. Not really
surprised about the GT3 effort as I have only just bought it. Can't say I
am that fond of it but it is early days yet. Loved the others though great
fun. Replay vids available of efforts in 1 & 2.

The next round goes for two weeks so I will have more time for other
things, perhaps a WR might be in order ?

Gamer - rule five is because I was temporarily possessed by Michael Palin.

As a Pimp I naturally have a large Stable of great rides. At the moment my
favorite( apart from Keesha of course ) is -

i25.photobucket.com/albums/c53/RingDiary/BlackBeauty.jpg

i25.photobucket.com/albums/c53/RingDiary/YoPimp.jpg

i25.photobucket.com/albums/c53/RingDiary/bling.jpg

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MrPinstripes
Posted 1/17/2007 6:09:27 PM
Hey, all.

Just thought I'd pop in and let you all know that I got my DFP working
again, so I'll be able to participate in more than a curmudgeonly fashion.

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My first trip 'round the 'Ring (or 'round anything, for that matter) was
in a British Racing Green Jaguar E-Type, in my usual N2s/no aids/driver
ballast trim. Curiously enough, I got to pull 10kg of ballast out of the
driver's seat; maybe work is good for something.

Contrary to my usual preference for stock rides, I did throw in a FC
tranny (in an effort to keep the engine running for a full lap of the
'Ring- this is a classic Jag, after all).

The Mistress of Sparks was everything I remembered; grippy, snappy, and a
might screechy if you hammered her too hard on corner exits. That was part
of my logic for picking it; to see if my throttle would actually allow me
to modulate correctly. Seems to be working great, and the E-Type will
still lay rubber when I'd rather it not.

Coming back to the 'Ring itself was a breeze. I guess all the miles I've
logged on (and off) the track have burned themselves into my subconscious.
I'm still not quite used to the "no left-foot braking" thing (thank you,
GT Legends, for breaking me of a nasty habit), so I'll need to work on my
corner approaches and keeping stable over bumpy "problem" spots again.
Maybe once I can drive without it I can start using it again in a less
videogamey fashion.

My first lap was admirably clean for a comeback lap (excepting a
fender-shredding encounter with the armco at Mutkurve), and went by in
8'50. This is 13 seconds slower than my previous best (without the 5-speed
tranny), so I have a bit of rust to knock loose. Not as much as I
expected, though, so I guess I should be happy.

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After a single lap in the Jag, I decided to pull on the ****kickers and
punt myself in the junk; I hauled the Middlefinger Bird out of retirement,
changed the oil (it had 300 miles on the clock, all A-Spec on the 'Ring),
and headed out to die.

And die I did. Repeatedly. I only got a lap and a half in before my son
came in from his bath to find Dad playing with "his pedals" (which he
proceeded to mash on alternately while his old man tried to get around
Bergwerk), but it wasn't pretty. Lots of 150+ MPH armco whacking, lots of
lawnmowing, lots of time at the beach, etc. I think the one lap I finished
was 8'18 or something like that.

However, this little trip has reawakened an old goal of mine: 7'30 in a
tuned stock N2-shod Yellow Bird. I'm not sure if it's possible, but I'm
going to try it.

Later, all.

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"Warmed up my motor, swindled the promoter, took the lunatics for a
ride..." ~Clutch
Pics- photobucket.com/albums/a346/MrPinstripes


wanderingmuse22
Posted 1/17/2007 6:56:05 PM
Yay! MrPinstripes! I thought about you the other day. I
think it was in the reverse citta d'aria thread you mentioned the trick to
driving the Speed 12 was accepting that you couldn't use full throttle.
That advise has rung true for me on other cars in other games, and so I
thank you. Having said that, I've never actually tried the Speed 12 since
adopting that mindset. Have you lapped in it?

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For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so
will be the coming of the Son of Man. Matthew 24:27


MrPinstripes
Posted 1/17/2007 7:15:06 PM
Not in a long time. I'd be willing to bet that the last
time I had the CS12 out for a spin was for that challenge. I do remember
being really disappointed in the time I got on the 'Ring, though. Probably
around the 8'00 mark on N2s, but that's a wild guess.

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"Warmed up my motor, swindled the promoter, took the lunatics for a
ride..." ~Clutch
Pics- photobucket.com/albums/a346/MrPinstripes


wanderingmuse22
Posted 1/17/2007 9:06:26 PM
I don't remember the Speed 12 challenge, but since the
devil had been conjured, I decided to try. My CS12 has no aids or ballast,
was on S2's, and I logged two laps: one at 8'02 and one at 7'48, and if I
was able to focus for a third, could likely have lopped off as much time
again. But it's a LOT of focus. No wide open throttle, at all, until 170
mph or so on D-H, and that ends quickly.

One thing that helped was creating my own shift lag by easing off the
throttle and starting over when upshifting. That's likely something that
lessens with practice. I can only imagine how fast it could be once
comfortable in its skin: no tiptoeing, familiar boundaries and whatnot.
There's a lot of naughty metaphors to be conjured by the nature of
throttle control required. I liked it enough to drive it more.

As for the Middlefingerbird, what about a trip to Midfield?. Easy track,
familiar and fast, a confidence builder, just right for returning to one's
groove, no?

ViperintheGrass!! Your pimp car is perfect. I don't doubt that Ciscrack
would approve of the gold rims. I think the SL65 AMG would have to be
mine, but the IROC Daytona Camaro would be tempting too.

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For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so
will be the coming of the Son of Man. Matthew 24:27


wanderingmuse22
Posted 1/18/2007 2:43:30 PM
and also, if the SRT10 on N2's in under 8 minutes is the
Ring Driving Merit Badge, then the Speed 12 in under 8 minutes on N2's is
the Freakin' Ringressional Medal of Honor! Whomever did so has my utmost
respect.

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For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so
will be the coming of the Son of Man. Matthew 24:27


MrPinstripes
Posted 1/18/2007 5:28:57 PM

Might as well make it official, then; the Weekend Rider is
the...

TVR Cerbera Speed 12

Sorry if it's been done before; I'm a bit behind on the goings-on. If it
has, just ignore me.

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I busted my Cerbera out for its maiden voyage (at least according to the
odometer- thank you, Limited Auto-Save) and, in an effort to recreate the
flaming tire tracks of Back to the Future, slapped on N2 tires. Sadly,
they just smoked. I also had my standard driver ballast w/ no driving
aids, though I forgot to change the oil.

Has anyone else noticed that the CS12 comes with tuneable dampers? For my
first few laps I dropped them down from the stock 7F/7R to 2F/4R in an
attempt to limit some of the extreme high-speed understeer the Cerbera
displays with so much enthusiasm. After a few laps in a screamin' demon of
a car with a jittery rear end, I dropped the rear to 1. Amazing how much
more traction I had (neither I nor my gas foot noticed it, but the split
times sure did).

With either setting, I was pretty impressed with the Cerbera's feel and
handling. It was a bit reluctant to turn during entry, but got just rowdy
enough during apex and exit to keep things interesting. Were it to have
less power (say, half as much), I think it'd be one of those "better than
it should be" cars. I especially like the well-geared transmission. As it
is, it's still a really fun ride in the slower parts and a bit of a mixed
bag in the fast bits. On one hand, the total lack of downforce keeps the
car nice and stable (a blessing in quite a few spots); on the other, you
have to brake for corners you don't think you should.

One habit I found myself getting into was shifting early. The CS12
generates a butt-ton of torque through most of it's RPM range, so this
probably wouldn't hurt acceleration much even without the ever-present
wheelspin. Throw in the fact that it's easier to avoid spinning the tires
at lower RPMs and you have a winner. Plus that V12 sound positively evil
at around 5k RPM.

Several laps were spent sliding off line (and off track), playing armco
pinball, and generally getting a feel for the car. My first lap yielded a
8'00.xxx, and it was not clean or pretty by any means. After a few laps of
pushing (and learning) my limits, I exited to the race menu, made my
adjustments, and hit the track for a lap that "counted".

Several restarts came and went as I pushed too hard, braked too late, or
some other such nonsense. I was consistently up by ~1.5 seconds at the
first split, so I knew the suspension was working better. Once I made it
past Aremburg without screwing up, I knew I had my lap. Corners flew by
stupidly fast, my right leg was aching from having to hold itself nearly
motionless, and the split between my ghost and I kept getting wider and
wider. I was cautious in my trouble spots, but not overly so. Damn, but it
feels good to finally be able to hammer the damn accelerator down when you
hit the Dottingher-Hohe straight... for all the 30 seconds it lasts.

Final time: 7'45.888

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I'm not really being very nice to myself, am I? First the Jag (which is
admittedly the nicest out of the three), then the Yellow Bird, and now the
Cerbera. Hmm. I need to find another killer car to drive, just to keep the
trend up... *looks at the Alpine A310*

Muse- I meant that the last time I drove the CS12 was for the opening
salvo of the Citta di Aria (Reverse) Challenge. Sorry for the confusion.

Later, all.

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"Warmed up my motor, swindled the promoter, took the lunatics for a
ride..." ~Clutch
Pics- photobucket.com/albums/a346/MrPinstripes



ignignoc_n_err
Posted 1/18/2007 11:04:25 PM
^Might I suggest the Spirra, Mr. P? XP

Welcome back, btw. You know, something similar happened to me a couple of
years ago. I quit playing golf after I had a bout of tendonitis in my
wrist (don't ask.. ;¬_¬). After a while I started playing again, and of
course I had the awkward reaquaintance phase, but after getting used to
the swing, I found that I was actually BETTER than when I had quit!

Funny enough, the same thing seems to be happening to me in GT4.
Apparently the time off lets you unlearn the bad habits, but you never
really forget the good ones, so you can start relatively fresh, yet MILES
ahead of the game. Perhaps that's why my new file has almost 9,000 A-spec
points with only ~21% completion?

When I get home, I'll have to try that CS12 @ the 'Ring (although I HATE
N-grade rubber). I'll definitely need to give some of your driving tips a
shot to keep the 800-horse beast tamed, but I hope I can manage the sub-8"
lap. Of course, I still need to give the Viper a shot so I can get my
certificate...
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20.6% that hasn't, then GO **** YOURSELF, YOU ELITIST BASTARD!!!


MrPinstripes
Posted 1/19/2007 1:31:06 PM
The Spirra is a fun car, and surprisingly fast if memory
serves. I wouldn't quite put it in the "difficult to drive" category,
though. I really wish it came in a wider range of colors; Spirra Yellow is
about the best, but it's not my usual fare. Maybe a color like Toyota's
Orange Mica Metallic. It'd look good in a color like the '63 'Vette's
Silver Blue Metallic, too.

I_n_e- There's nothing saying you have to run the WR on N2 tires; it's
just a few of the nuts around here get a kick out of it (especially in a
difficult car). It does seem to let the character of the car shine through
easier, and can alleviate some of the "sharpness" of certain handling
issues (the CTR, for example, is a little less understeer-to-oversteer,
with nothing in between on N2s).

I've actually put N2s on several race cars before, either to help nitpick
a setup (you can tell when your setup is doing it's fair share of the
handling vs. just the tires) or just for the hell of it.

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Should I make my 7'30 goal in the Yellow Bird, I might get around to
making a video of it. Should I get around to that, I have the soundtrack
picked out. A bit of a changeup from Motorhead, but should be sufficiently
naughty to compliment the CTR.

Well, I'm off for some laps before gaming tonight (tabletop role-playing
stuff; I'm a total nerd). Later, all.

[vitg]

ciscrack
Posted 1/19/2007 2:12:04 PM
I don't doubt that Ciscrack would approve of the gold rims.

If only they were the gold daytons. Much more shine, much more bling.

Too bad we can't have somethin' like this in the game.
s13.photobucket.com/albums/a282/ciscrack/?action=view¤t=Highrider.jpg
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JV4kK9grFw
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ignignoc_n_err
Posted 1/19/2007 9:49:44 PM

Mr. P, you oughta consider "Call of Ktulu" for your bgm for
the Goldenmiddlefingerbird replay (either the Ride the Lightning or S&M
(orchestral) versions). It's just about 8 minutes in length, mellow at
first (like the track) and flat-out rawkin' til the end (also like the
track). I still think you should do a lap in a Group C (905 perhaps) to
"Last Caress/Green Hell" from Garage Days.

As for the Spirra, I never have been able to control it, for whatever
reason. It's fast, to be sure, but far too tail-happy when the throttle is
lifted. That's fine for traditional tracks, because you can still brake in
a straight line for most every turn. Unfortunately, on the Nürburgring,
that's not always an option. Maybe I'll try it on your beloved N-grade
rubber to see if it neutralizes the handling a bit.

Ciscrack, that hooptie isn't 4WD, is it? Too bad it doesn't have gold
rims, instead of the chrome. I wonder how that thing would handle
Auremburg...
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20.6% that hasn't, then GO **** YOURSELF, YOU ELITIST BASTARD!!!


viperinthegrass
Posted 1/20/2007 11:22:46 PM
Greetings all and welcome back Mr. Pinstripes,

TVR Cerbera Speed 12 '00 WR™

Excellent challenge.
Best lap N2’s with ballast at –35, dampers set at 2 / 2 aids off.
8 ‘ 04 . 168 bit of work to do yet but not bad for a first effort.
Lots of blipping the throttle to try and get some power down to the
ground, not easy to modulate throttle with a DS2, but managed reasonably
well.
Did a lot of coasting again as I felt it was probably a way to take
advantage of the CS12 momentum.

Best lap S2’s dampers at 3 / 3 aids off. Power dropped to 835 Hp (oil must
have burned during N2 runs) - 7 ‘ 25 . 023 getting the power down makes a
huge difference, tyres certainly make it very user friendly handling wise.
I think I will work at a few more laps in both setups when I get a chance
to knuckle down to it properly.

Also found Lucky21's CS12 challenge from a while ago, here tis' -

"lucky21s
Posted 4/22/2006 12:20:49 PM
also try my redicously overpowered and understeering car challenge.

tvr ceraba speed 12 '00 (BR™),
supercharger
brake balance controller set to zero
tcs/asm oversteer set to 0
understeer set to 20
N2's I think or maybe stock tyres, not sure.

ignignoc_n_err, I went back and checked my setup for the Spirra tournament
that was on a while ago as I recall that moving the ballast slider ( no
weight added) helped a lot.
Position varied depending on the Track we were at but it might be worth a
try.

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wanderingmuse22
Posted 1/22/2007 7:56:49 AM
You have archives? How does moving a slider with no weight
work, is that glitch? Who's on first?

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viperinthegrass
Posted 1/22/2007 3:21:37 PM
Hiya,

I keep everything. After Vol Nine was deleted I did not want to risk losing
anything so I have copies of every page since.
As for the ballast slider I do not know, maybe it moves the fuel tank
about or the drivers seat ? All I know is that I have observed it making a
difference and has proved useful in tournaments where adding extra weight
would be a disadvantage. I doubt it is a glitch.

Played with settings for my CSi.e.added my weight(ironic huh!)
100 kg @ - 50 dampers at 3 / 3 aids still off. Handling improved a lot
trimmed time to 8 ' 01 .196
After a month of 6 day weeks I have a long weekend coming up, hoping to
break out the DFP if allowed and try this with MT, should help a lot by
shortshifting and having better throttle control. Determined to break 8
minutes.

Later.
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I Liked The Viperinthegrass So Much, I Bought The Company!


ciscrack
Posted 1/23/2007 9:38:07 AM

Nope, not 4WD. Can you imagime how much gold rims of that
size would cost. Billions!!! j/k Probably at least $10,000 I would guess.
Here's some more. You can look up "donk" on Wikipedia.

rides-mag.com/DONK/cars/1987-MonteCut.jpg
rides-mag.com/DONK/cars/1989.Chevy.Caprice.jpg
rides-mag.com/DONK/cars/1987.Chevy.Caprice.jpg
rides-mag.com/DONK/cars/1972.Chevy.Impala.jpg
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JV4kK9grFw
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ignignoc_n_err
Posted 1/23/2007 11:22:17 PM
I still haven't tried the CS12 or Viper N-grade challenges,
yet. I'm trying to get some completion percentage (just got 26% today, in
fact) and to break 10,000 A-spec points (only a couple hundred left to
go).

Viper, I remember you telling about the ballast slider trick in the Spirra
Competition (shortly before I left GF for a while). I tried it, and
noticed a VERY small difference, but not enough for me to start liking the
Spirra too much. It's a great car on tracks without a lot of elevation
changes, but on others, like GVS or the 'Ring, it's a terror. With
something like a 39/61 weight distribution, it's terribly tail-happy, and
especially when the throttle is lifted. Too much for me...

Ciscrack, so what if the rims cost $10k apiece? The owners obviously
aren't spending too much on the car itself! Seriously, you can pick up a
decent '80s Crown Vic or Caprice for $500 - $1500 most anywhere... Which
leaves a lot of capital for REALLY important stuff, like rims, seatcovers
and audio... ¬_¬
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20.6% that hasn't, then seriously, who even GIVES a ****!?


ciscrack
Posted 1/24/2007 9:29:27 AM
I greatly underestimated the cost for 30" golds, if they
even make 'em. I found a set of 13x7 for

cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330071334852&ssPageName=MERC_VIC_RSCC_Pr4_PcY_BIN_Stores_IT&refitem=330043718689&itemcount=4&refwidgetloc=closed_view_item&usedrule1=StoreCatToStoreCat&usedrule2=UpSell_LogicX&refwidgettype=cross_promot_widget

So maybe $25,000+ would be a better guess, still might be a low estimate.
But yeah, buy a $2,000 car and spend how much to customize it like that?
Crazy. I wanna do it to a Honda Civic.

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ciscrack
Posted 1/24/2007 10:06:38 AM
13x7's were $4,500. I don't know what happened there.
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wanderingmuse22
Posted 1/25/2007 8:50:23 PM
What about Dr Who? Could he beat James Bond in a race
around the 'Ring?

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TwoSheepAFlamin

Posted 1/26/2007 1:27:06 PM
Well, sorry for not reading all of the previous, so I might
have missed something, and I'm new to the GT4 boards, but I have little
patience as I have just finished the 4 hour endurance race on the Ring.

I would have hoped to have won something to get me around those damn... C
class is it?... Oh well no matter. The real issue is that I can get the
CLK GTR around them, but me poor Mercedes keeps wearing it's tires out.
So, in an effort to get a car that wasn't so hard on rubber, I entered the
very same GTR into the 4 hour endurance...

RIGHT BEFORE FINDING OUT IT WAS LIMITED TO SPORTS TIRES.

One of the most aggravating four hours of my life, but I did get there.

*X* POSSIBLE SPOILERS *X*

So I'm at the end, and I get my money, and then I'm looking at my moment
of truth, and what should I win? The Chapparel 2d racecar. So I'm lookin'
at it, and I think, hey it might actually work.

Hop to the tune shop, drop in it's obviously fantasy stage four turbo
charger and head for Circuit de la Sarthe...
...
...
...
Where to my horror I find that while I can manage a THREE SPEED BLIPPIN
TRANNY, I can't feel at home with a negative margin of error.

Still, beautiful looking car, and seeing as when I auto set the tranny to
full it takes it to 132 in first, and tops out at 270ish, I'm sure it's
going to be one of my favorites.

*X* END SPOILERS *X*

And that's my story on the Ring.

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ciscrack
Posted 1/26/2007 1:35:05 PM
Chapparal 2J is better.
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TwoSheepAFlamin
Posted 1/26/2007 1:38:51 PM
I would imagine so...



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ignignoc_n_err
Posted 1/26/2007 10:02:48 PM
The race class you're referring to as "C-class" is the FIA
class Group C for Le Mans. They're prototype race cars that can NEARLY
out-class F1. If you want to win one, take a moderately powerful sports
car to the El Capitan 200 endurance and win the Toyota MINOLTA 88C-V '89.
You can use a stock NSX Type R (later model, I think '02) for lots of
A-spec points, if you want.

If you get one, take it to the La Sarthe track and hold onto your shorts!

You can also save up your money to buy 3 of the Group C's for 3.5 mil Cr.
apiece, or 4 of the LMP's (modern day prototype class) for 4.5 mil Cr.
apiece. The Mazda 787B '91 is a dream, and very conservative on tires.

HTH
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wanderingmuse22
Posted 1/26/2007 10:06:08 PM
I like the Peugot, but I don't know if it's C. Is it?
Little bugger flies, though. Needs a little throttle control, but flies.

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ignignoc_n_err
Posted 1/26/2007 10:23:04 PM
The Peugeot 905 is a Group C racer, actually the Group C
and overall winner from 1992. Hell yes, it's a rocket, it'll get you to
200 mph (320 km/h) before you realize it! It's also a lightweight, tipping
the scales at a scant 750 kg (~1,655 lbs). At 851 bhp, it doesn't have the
highest power in its class (in fact, only the 787B is weaker @ 843 bhp),
but it's got a BROAD and HIGH torque curve that can smoke the tires in
just about any gear if you're not too careful about throttle control. The
only real downside is thanks to the miniscule p/w ratio, it's gonna
provide jack for points, and the transmission has an interminable shift
lag between most gears.

There are... "methods" .... to combat this problem, though.
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wanderingmuse22
Posted 1/28/2007 1:25:12 AM
Methods like skipping 1st & 2nd gear altogether, and only
barely using 3rd?

I took the 905 to the 'Ring this evening, and killed the driver a lot,
BUT, also drove really fast. I think I could get the hang of this race car
stuff the kids are talking about. I love this car. If I can get to running
consisntently clean laps I might see about tuning it, but there's no sense
tinkering with the car until the driver's useful.

Before that I was working on my Miata time. Wasn't it Sackedagain's BR to
get a simulation set Miata to 9 minutes? A challenge of focus? Something
like that.

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viperinthegrass
Posted 1/28/2007 4:54:04 AM
G'Day all !
Just finishing a long weekend, been mainly competing in the GTU old school
tournaments.Great fun.

Welcome TwoSheepAFlamin (interesting handle, you are not from New Zealand
by any chance ?).

The 905 is a fine Car, have not fiddled with it much, as I like to try
them out "as is" first ( as Muse does ). Perhaps we could have it as a RR
soon and see what it is capable of.

ignignoc_n_err - I would like to know what these methods are you speak of,
to overcome the shift lag.
From my records, the Miata challenge was comparing the several versions in
the game, head to head, run bone stock.

Dr. Who vs. James Bond - Was it a DB4 or DB5 007 drove, I cannot remember
!!
In any case as Dr. Who could get to the finish line before the Race had
even started it would be no contest !

Later.

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wanderingmuse22
Posted 1/29/2007 8:05:05 AM
I was always disappointed at the lack of classic Astons in
the game. Even if they couldn't inlcude Bond's specific car, there's so
many gorgeous cars left out. Of course, that's kind of a theme with
Turismo, isn't it? All but the very best.

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wanderingmuse22
Posted 1/29/2007 10:03:18 AM
Oh, and VitG, some of the 905's techniques include taking
Flugpatz (sp?) at over 170mph (and perhaps faster) and Schwedenkreuz wide
open throttle (215-220mph). Not the car for wearing your favorite
knickers.

[vitg]

wanderingmuse22
Posted 1/30/2007 8:03:44 PM
Another Peugot 905 tip: it doesn't understeer. However, you
may notice it pushing on approach to the lower speed bends. This is
because the brakes are uberstrong, try less pressure to prevent them from
locking up.

Even though 1st and 2nd gear must be ignored, there is speed to be found
in the gear box. I wouldn't go crazy widening out, but there's a little
room for stretching. Also, the lag gets better as your shifts get better.
If you spin the tires shifting from 3rd to 4th, it's unbelievable.
However, if you maintain grip and shift at the RPM peak, it's not as bad,
and when you go from 5th to 6th, the lag isn't a problem at all.

My question: Is there something that can be done with the suspension to
make it faster?

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ignignoc_n_err
Posted 1/30/2007 9:59:16 PM
Primarily, the "methods" I'm referring to are transmission
tuning tricks, like spacing the gears out, using 2nd through 5th gears to
make it a virtual 4-speed (it's got enough torque that you can do that),
and if need arises, raising the final drive a tad.

Since it's so lightweight, you don't want to tighten the suspension too
much, or you'll get airborne if you hit a surprisingly dense molecule of
air, but if you do tighten it up, drop the downforce a little to ease the
strain.

HTH
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wanderingmuse22
Posted 1/31/2007 7:15:11 PM
If the only way to add speed via the suspension is by
tightening things, I think I'll stick to tweaking the gear box (the 'Ring
has a bump or two in it).
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viperinthegrass
Posted 1/31/2007 8:42:52 PM
Well ,it would appear that by a sort of osmosis ,the
Peugeot 905 is this weekends Racecar Rider™
There have been some excellent tips and advice so all I can say is - Have
at it.

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ignignoc_n_err
Posted 1/31/2007 9:41:57 PM
If the only way to add speed via the suspension is by
tightening things, I think I'll stick to tweaking the gear box (the 'Ring
has a bump or two in it).

^^That's my point. If you're gonna drive the Peugeot around the 'Ring,
it's best to raise/soften the suspension (same with La Sarthe) because of
the bumps, irregularities, etc. However, if you're on a smooth, even
surfaced track like High Speed Ring or Tokyo R246, you'd want to drop it a
bit, tighten the chassis and set it up for Über-sharp handling.

I haven't really spent any serious time tweaking the suspension, but
typically when I race La Sarthe, I raise the ride height about halfway
between minimum and maximum, then drop the spring rates ~3-5 kgt/mm and
soften the shocks to 2/4 (f/b) and stabilizers to 3 or 4. Sure, it's not
the absolute best for high-speed maneuvers, but it is tight enough to let
that 5.0L V10 stretch its legs, and it still gives the chassis plenty of
room to move over the various bumps and wiggles in the road without
getting airborne at any given second. After all, as you all know:


Peugeot 905 Race Car - 3,500,000 Cr.
Set of new Racing SuperSofts - 45,000 Cr.
Day of Track Practice at the Nürburgring Nordschleife - 5 Cr.
Losing traction @ 350 km/h - Useless.
We can't buy you safety, or even brains, but for everything else, there's
BastardCard.

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wanderingmuse22
Posted 1/31/2007 9:45:58 PM
i_n_e, pardon the expression, but that post is priceless.
VitG, the car is a quest. It's strengths and imperfections reach out like
a challenge: how far under 6 minutes can she go? (on stock rubber/mediums)

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ignignoc_n_err
Posted 1/31/2007 11:00:34 PM
^Heh. Thanks, Muse!

Viper, I'll have to try to figure out some way to get a 905 on my current
playthrough (I've just restarted recently, and I only have ~1.5mil so
far). I'm afraid I'm just too poor at the moment. I'll see if I can figure
out what I did with my old save, and use the 905 from that one. We ARE
running this in GT mode, right?
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wanderingmuse22
Posted 2/1/2007 7:46:35 PM
I've always run in GT mode, but the Ninjas that sack you
for logging Arcade times have long since been punted into a lake.

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ignignoc_n_err
Posted 2/1/2007 10:10:29 PM
Well, I took a trip to southern France and visited a
Peugeot dealership today. Here's a brief synopsis of the events:

me: *looks interested at the 905*

dealer: Hi there! My name's Guy McSalesman. *shakes hands* I see you're
interested in the 905 Race Car.

me: Possibly. Some friends have been telling me about it, so I figured I'd
come see what all the hype was about.

Guy: No hype here, sir! This car features a massive five-liter V10
powerplant with overhead cams and a redline exceeding 10,000 rpm, giving
it a massive 851 horsepower at the rear wheels and a torque curve higher
than the Eiffel Tower, broader than the Atlantic and flatter than a
British backside! Combined with its curb weight of merely 3/4 of a metric
ton, this car was able to rocket to the Group C AND the overall
championship in the 1992 24hrs of Le Mans. No hype, indeed.

me: Impressive. What's the price tag?

Guy: Today it features the one-time low, low price of your eternal soul!

me: 0_o ..what?

Guy: I said, it's on sale for 3.5 million. Would you like some Q-Tips, or
are your ears still popping from your flight?

me: <jedimindtrick> You don't want to sell me the car for that
price...</jedimindtrick>

Guy: ....mmmmkay...?

me: <obiwankenobi> This car is MUCH less expensive than that...
<obiwankenobi>

Guy: ...how 'bout a buck?

me: Nah, still too much.

Guy: Okay, how 'bout I give YOU a buck AND a free oil change?

me: DEAL!

Guy: Great! I'll be right back with the keys.

me: *kisses my copy of CodeBreaker* I love t3h ch3atsauc3...
LMAOLOLOLOLOL!!!111!

Now I'm on a train to Germany, and should be arriving at the Nürburgring
mid-morning tomorrow. I and my new 905 will see what we can do...

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^WTF? What did I say that has ANYTHING to do with this?
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viperinthegrass
Posted 2/1/2007 10:26:57 PM
HA,HA,HA,HA,HA.HA,HA,HEE,HEE,GUFFAW,CHORTLE.
GAG.SPUTTER.GASP.
HELP ! NO REALLY, CHOKING HERE !!

I have saved a copy of that post in case it is modded. Hilarious !!
I think they are looking at it with a jaundiced eye because of the
reference to our favorite Jedi. Purely coincidental on your part of course
!

Anyway, glad you were able to acquire the Car ( Jedi mind tricks are
perfectly acceptable! ). I should not have assumed everyone would have
one, or a spare 3.5 mill lying around.

Will get stuck into some driving over the Weekend.
Later.
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ciscrack
Posted 2/2/2007 9:41:04 AM
message detail Good story I_n_e. I think the problem was..

<obi wan kenobi>

There were one or more potential problems with your message:
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ignignoc_n_err
Posted 2/2/2007 9:23:04 PM
^Oh, okay. I finally see it now. That's bull****! I can't
believe my message was flagged for THAT...

You gotta love overlegislation...

Anyway, I spent most of the day going through some preliminary stuff for a
new job (gotta get a 2nd job to save up for a new car), so I didn't get to
enjoy my new Peugeot yet, but she's in the garage! When I get home in the
morning, I'll see if I can get a feel for her and run off some hot-laps.
If I get times that I'm not ashamed of, I'll post 'em here!
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ignignoc_n_err
Posted 2/3/2007 11:19:40 PM
Well, this is one beautiful French Maid that does NOT like
her new master. After mangling several tentative laps around the 'Ring
hovering in the 6:20.xxx range, I was finally able to pull off a mildly
impressive 5:56.9xx with slightly reduced aero, minor suspension tweaks
and a stock gearbox. There are many corners which run up on you VERY
quickly and a few that you can take near flat-out. With the transmission
settings I mentioned earlier, it would (theoretically) be able to knock
off a few seconds, but I just didn't have the time (read: patience) to
keep at it.

The car rocks, there's no doubt, but she's got a loose nut behind the
wheel...
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ciscrack
Posted 2/4/2007 1:01:32 PM
Damn I haven't played GT in quite a while, but my new gf
let me drive her G35 yesterday for the first time. DAAAMMMNNN that thing
fast. I was doing 60mph for a while behind some Harley's, but as soon as I
got to a passing zone, I had it up to 100 in a few secs. and didn't even
realize it. I had a pretty good time on this windy mountain road for a
short time before I got stuck behind some dummy going 10mph below the
speed limit. Oh well, I'll get to drive it again sometime soon.

I wonder what happened to Omicron and his aquisition of that Lotus he was
talking about.

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MrPinstripes
Posted 2/4/2007 2:20:05 PM
Hey, all.

The day after I got my DFP fixed my wife and I had the, "you spend too
much time playing video games" go-round again. So much for getting back
into the game. It wouldn't bug me so much if she weren't 90-something
hours into FFXII and has read several books in the time it took me to get
maybe 30 hours into TES: Oblivion. I haven't read a book since before our
son was born (part of which is my fault; I can't read unless there are NO
distractions, and that doesn't happen with a 2-year old in the house). Oh,
well. Back to being a ghostie.

On a more positive note, I found a video that makes my F1/'Ring time look
crappy. Seems my 4'55 estimate was just a little conservative, though
maybe not without TCS. Here's the thread with the video:

www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=85570&highlight=nurburgring

Like mine, it's license-test clean in GT Mode, though he uses TCS. Unlike
mine, there's no cool Motorhead soundtrack, so I guess that makes mine
better... or something.

Later, all.

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Flasawoo
Posted 2/5/2007 8:30:20 AM
hi guys!!! its been a while since i posted on here but i
think i may have found something you might be interested in. this link is
to a webcam located on the pits of the 'ring, and you may be lucky enough
to see some cool cars ready to go and raz it about on track. (yes i did
make a topic about it if some of you were wondering).

www.nuerburgring.de/fileadmin/webcam/webcam.jpg
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viperinthegrass
Posted 2/5/2007 3:41:16 PM
G'Day all,
Good to see people still have a presence here, even if it is only
"Ghostly".

Worked all day Saturday but managed a bit of seat time after the missus
went to bed.
Did a couple of laps with the Pug. Not very good, felt like I was in a
dance where both partners were trying to lead and working to a different
beat.
Reduced time from 6 ' 15 to 6 ' 08 , but not well pleased. "There is
nothing wrong with the Car so it must be me", thinks I. So I had a bit of
a think about things and decided to let the Car lead and I would just
follow and leave it to do what it does best, go around corners very, very
fast.
This approach worked a treat, slowing down to match the Cars rhythm and
doing things early and gently. The Car at times felt as good as an FGT at
hanging on to a corner, the classic "being on rails" feeling.
I ran the Car bone stock with no adjustments to anything. Licence test
clean ( well, just about, bruised a bit of grass maybe) did not hit
anything except apex'es and certainly no fatalaties like first runs !
Improved time to a 5 ' 55 . 834. Including taking up Muses challenge of
taking Flugplatz flat out, speed clocked at 181 mph and I survived the
experience ! It might be worth making a video just for this bit alone.
I wimped out at the Swedish corner though, did not want to push my luck,
so only went through at 160 mph.
Now for a bold statement, I reckon I can get down to around the 5 ' 45
mark ,bone stock.
With some tweaking and a bit of luck I reckon 5 ' 35 would be possible. I
will let you know.

Later.


TwoSheepAFlamin
Posted 2/5/2007 7:53:11 PM
Wow thats a little creepy.

This is the first time I've been here since I posted that, and about 3
days ago I took the CLK-GTR out on that very endurance race and won the
very same Minolta you speak of. Anyway, I'm getting used to the CLK-GTR on
sports tires, but it looks as if I won't NEED it anymore. Needless to say,
or maybe needful... no it's needless, because I've already mentioned that
I can out race the C classes in the CLK-GTR, but only until I burn out the
tires.

But yeah that's exactly what I did, and the Minolta handles as good,
sometimes better than the CLK-GTR, but on harder tires, which was fun to
think of for some reason.

Has anyone else noticed that on both the CLK-GTR and Minolta, that you
can/have-to use softer tires to get even wear?

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wanderingmuse22
Posted 2/5/2007 8:18:58 PM

Great stuff, VitG. I'm at 5'57 on clean laps and have taken
a break from trying. I keep thinking, was it Onikaze who said there's
twenty seconds difference between your good lap and your best lap? That's
why 5'35 seems possible. I don't have the skill set to do it, and I've no
idea what tweaks would help (other than fine tuning the gears to get the
most out of the shift points), but I've had a lot of fun in the 905.

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TwoSheepAFlamin

Posted 2/6/2007 10:44:55 AM
My bad, I meant softer tires on the front to get even wear.

[vitg]

Intermission..............................



200 posts down , 300 to go !

Time for a spell.

[vitg]

ignignoc_n_err
Posted 2/6/2007 9:25:41 PM
Well, the 5:56.9xx was the best time I could clock. She's a
cruel mistress indeed. I used the 905 to run the Super Speedway 150, then
sold it, the prize NSX-R Prototype and my MINOLTA 88C-V to purchase a
brand new Mazda 787B. Currently, we're just over 9 hours into Le Mans 24hr
(Sarthe 1), and we've lapped the Sauber (2nd place) 4 times. All A-Spec,
to be sure, and I've found that an R3/R2 combination lasts EXACTLY as long
as a full tank of fuel (I end the 9th lap with 4-5 liters of fuel every
time).

I wouldn't mind seeing the 787 as our next RR™... ^_-
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viperinthegrass
Posted 2/7/2007 10:16:06 PM
ignignoc_n_err said " I wouldn't mind seeing the 787 as our
next RR™... ^_-"

Consider it done.
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wanderingmuse22
Posted 2/11/2007 11:41:59 PM
How great is the functional difference between the new and
used 787B?

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ignignoc_n_err
Posted 2/11/2007 11:53:26 PM
Well, we just finished the 24hrs of Le Mans, and my car is
down to 787 bhp (lol) with not-quite black oil, but a chassis that's
floppier than a piece of dental floss.

If you change the oil on the used black 787, you won't have quite as high
power (803 bhp, if memory serves, opposed to 843 bhp new w/oil), but if
you refresh the chassis, it'll drive just like new. Even with the loss of
power and before the oil change, my used 787B still hits ~370 km/h in the
Hunaudieres Straight without draft-assist.
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wanderingmuse22
Posted 2/15/2007 9:55:58 PM
*bump*

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viperinthegrass
Posted 2/18/2007 8:57:29 PM
At last !! Greetings all.
Very strange happenings, for about a week now I have not been able to log
on to this thread.
My computer throws a hissy fit and says it is under attack by some "Blade
Runner' virus and refuses to co operate further.
Have just managed to log on from work though without any trouble.
Weird.
Anyway this was only to be a Bump , a bit different from the normal ones
though.

Later.
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oldguy1957
Posted 2/19/2007 4:53:20 AM
^^ minitutorials.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=350
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viperx2002
Posted 2/19/2007 8:20:42 AM
Hmmm, been a long time since I was last around these parts.
My DFP misses me so. I just wish I wasn't sitting in a small office in
Alabama while the Siren calls me from far away Colorado... I think I am
going to have to take up the challenge again. The problem I have is I
think my memory card is blank and I will have to start over... again...
Alright, I'm done rambling now. Just had to get that out of my system. I
doubt any of you even remember me but that's alright.
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Soulidarity
Posted 2/19/2007 9:03:51 AM
Holy heck. Where have you been? I wanted to pass the WR off
to you way back when.


viperx2002
Posted 2/19/2007 9:42:02 AM
I got distracted by a few games(namely world of warcraft)
and then I got a new job. And you know how that goes... As soon as I get
back home(possibly this weekend or more probably the weekend after that) I
should have time to sit down and get back into it.
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vanubermaster
Posted 2/19/2007 12:05:10 PM
Hi everyone!

Only recently found this topic and i'd just bought a Peugeot 905 to use in
the Le Mans 24hrs for its good tyre durability but had never tried it
round the 'Ring' before.
Man this car is awesome round here especially on the fast bends and it
just sticks to the ground like glue!! Got a 5.54.3xx after a couple of
attempts but then hit one on the head!!

Final time 5.41.951 (Proper chuffed with that!!)

What tyres are you all running on? I did my lap on R3's because R5's can
be a bit wild to control sometimes!!

Everyone who isnt in a team for the 'GT4 racing team wars' get yourselves
signed up because we need more people in the teams (including the 'State
D' team i'm in!!)

Laters!!! :-)


viperinthegrass
Posted 2/21/2007 9:26:29 PM
Greetings all,

Oldguy - thanks for the information, have sorted out my threat.
I had the same problem as others i.e. Dialup + Accelerator+Norton
firewall.

Welcome vanubermaster ( best time with Peugeot 905 stock 5 ' 48 .127 so
far).

Welcome back also returning regular viperx2002, good stuff !!

I have decided to join in that team wars thingy, although I have limited
time and am already participating in three tourni at GS. Oh well.
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oldguy1957
Posted 2/25/2007 8:03:52 AM
BUMP

After moving again about 4 months ago, I finally located the pedals for my
DFP (in a big bag of miscellaneous stuff in storage closet), so I plan to
put in at least an hour or two "on the track" today. Any suggestions as to
what I should try first that I missed?
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viperx2002
Posted 2/26/2007 6:01:27 AM
So it turns out I had to restart so I only got a chance to
put in about an hour this weekend. I jumped right in though, took my
slightly better than stock Skyline R34 and managed to pull a (mostly)clean
lap time of 8:25. I was surprised how much of the ring I still remember.
Then I immeidately went out and purchased the HPA Motorsport R32 and
proceded to kill myself repeatedly... that is one 4 wheel drive that
doesn't behave like a proper 4wd(best lap of 8:05 but I never came close
to a clean lap there's gotta be another minute in there). It's going to
take some time to get back all my progress but it'll happen. This game
definitely has it's fangs back in me.
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wanderingmuse22
Posted 2/26/2007 11:53:45 AM
Actually Oldguy, I don't think we've gotten many reports on
the 787B, if you've got one, would you consider it? We actually made a car
WR recently did we not? I don't remember now what it was.

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viperinthegrass
Posted 2/26/2007 3:12:14 PM
Hey all,

WR™ is the TVR Speed 12, and the Mazda 787b is trhe current RR™. Which i
must get around to trying out !

Later.


oldguy1957
Posted 2/26/2007 8:26:17 PM
787B:

I just have my black one (I have two of those, actually). With default
settings, the best I could manage was an almost clean 5'56.9". I'm a bit
rusty, so I'm sure there's more time there to get. I gave it a refresh,
new oil, and turned off the driving aids, but otherwise didn't touch
anything. Some tranny and suspension changes would probably make it
significantly faster, too.

Overall, it was fairly easy to find its limits, because the front broke
loose before the back. Not really my cup of tea, but nonetheless a fun
ride. Anything under 6 minutes tends to get the pulse-rate up a little.
Maybe I'll try the Speed 12 tomorrow night..
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oldguy1957
Posted 2/27/2007 7:33:06 PM
TVR Speed 12:

I've had this car in my garage forever, and had never driven it until now.
I think the garage is a good place for it to sit. 800+ hp is just too much
for a street car. The biggest challenge was getting the dern thang to
accelerate without spinning the tires. I suppose I could have given in,
and turned on a little TCS, but that's not really in the spirit of The
Diaries. For those of you without a DFP, I wouldn't even give it a try. I
know the buttons on the controller are supposed to be pressure-sensitive,
but I couldn't even get to half-throttle most of the time with smoking the
tires. Not my idea of fun. I managed a 7'48.1. But it handles like a sled.
You'd think that with that much wheel-spin, you could get the back to step
out at least a LITTLE bit now and then. Nope.

We're supposed to be getting the second snow-storm in less than a week
tomorrow. Maybe I'll get a snow-day off from work on Thursday. If I do,
I'll try to come up wih WR for this week. We'll see. Later, all. It feels
good to be back on the track!!
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wanderingmuse22
Posted 2/28/2007 6:32:15 PM
It's good to see you back on the track, Oldguy. If you were
to pick 5 WR's for someone returning to the track after a layoff, which
ones would you choose?

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oldguy1957
Posted 2/28/2007 7:47:11 PM
5 huh? Well, after my lay-off, the first car I jumped into
was an Elise 111R. I don't see it on the list, but it should be. After
that, it had to be an M5. I consider each to be "best in class". Very
different cars with very different feels. But each epitomizes high-speed
handling.

After that, I'd go with the 350Z. It's not the funnest car in the world.
But it's the very definition of neutral handling under all conditions.
Braking, accelerating, whatever. It doesn't push, and you're not going to
lose the back...ever...unless you take it off-track.

Next it's time to go for fun. Onikazi's Skyline Nur has to be at or near
the top of that list. And I will always love the controllable drift of the
mid-90's RX-7's. And then for the brave of heart, one has to try to master
the Lancia Stratos. There's really nothing else that demands as much
concentration and attention to precise control...but then rewards it with
a heart-stopping, fist-pumping lightning-fast run.

Okay. That was 6. But the Stratos is just a bonus pick. It's not for
everyone.

If I took the time to drive each one of them again, I might very well
change my mind. But those are the ones that have stuck in my memory.
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wanderingmuse22
Posted 2/28/2007 11:11:18 PM
Do you think we could make a personality test out of it?
Like, what do your choices say about your personality? It seems there
ought to be a meme in this somewhere. Hmmmm...

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wanderingmuse22
Posted 3/1/2007 10:56:34 PM
What about the Spyker, when was the last time anyone drove
it?

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ignignoc_n_err
Posted 3/2/2007 12:28:43 AM
funny thing about the Spyker: Road & Track recently
published an article about the Spyker convertible, and it got me to
thinking about the C8. I don't think I've got guts enough to take it
around the 'Ring, but I'm sure it'd be a blast.
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oldguy1957
Posted 3/2/2007 9:27:45 AM
After taking the Skyline Nur out for a little test run,
I've decided to remove it from my top 5 list. I now remember that Oni was
trying to convince us that a AWD could be a drifter, so he had us put N1's
on it, and take it for a spin. That was rather fun and interesting, but on
S2's it's an average, typical AWD that has an uncomfortable push. I think
I will do as suggested, and replace it with the Spyker. It was my pick,
after all. I think it should be on the list just because it is really an
extreme case of overkill. If you don't try to push it past its limits, it
can be a lot of fun. One just has to be VERY careful with it.

Last night I was just playing around and came up with what I call the
"DTCM Challenge". Here's the deal:

Pick an eligible car. Run the Nurb race only. Win it (of course). Then
take the car that finishes in last place and do it again. Keep doing that
until you don't win. See how many consecutive wins you can get. Now, I
don't think winning the race is really the hard part of the challenge. I
think any of us regular Ringers can win that race with any of the eligible
cars. The AMG Merc seems to be the slowest, but even that can win if you
don't make mistakes. And there-in lies the challenge. NO MISTAKES. I just
made it to my forth run, had a 5-second lead on second place and came out
of the Little Karrosell (forgot how to spell it) a little wide, put a tire
in the grass, spun, and got slammed by every car as they all blew by me. I
put together 3 more consecutive runs after that, but then it was late and
I went to bed.

I found that actually racing against other cars on the Ring was a fun and
welcome change after spending most of my time on that track just racing
the clock. The biggest thing in this challenge is just patience. If you
get a little too aggressive trying to pass another car in a place you
shouldn't, it's the end of the road.

I thought of putting this as a new thread, but decided anyone that would
be interested in doing it probably reads this thread anyway. It seems
participation in Diary events has reached an all-time low. Maybe this will
renew some interest. Maybe not. If no one tries it, it won't hurt my
feelings. But I'd like to see a least a couple people give it a go. The
first person to hit 10 in a row should be considered the champ!! Good luck
all!!
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viperinthegrass
Posted 3/2/2007 10:37:49 PM
Neat idea, shall definitely be giving it a go.
Perhaps I should design another Badge for the Champ ?
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oldguy1957
Posted 3/3/2007 7:44:05 AM
Looks like I got at least one to bite at it. I suppose I
should spell out the rules a little more specifically. Should be obvious
to the regulars, but any newcomers or lurkers might need some
clarification. It's pretty simply:

NO MODS! Each car, no matter which one, has to be exactly as it comes "out
of the box". No tire changes. No added hp. No suspension changes. Just
jump in and go. Driving aids are optional, but I strongly suggest turning
them off. It makes about a 3-5 second improvement to my lap-times when I
do. And they're really not necessary with these cars. They all handle like
RACE cars (imagine that) anyway!

I was planning on letting my experiment stand as an example. But if VitG
is offer a BADGE, I may have to try to get it! I'm going to count the last
3 wins from after my last non-win the other night, and go for 7 more in a
row. No one said they had to all come in one sitting. Although an hour and
a half should be enough to do it if you can knock off all ten with out any
slip-ups. They're alle all about 7-minute cars.

I believe the only car you may have to buy is the Opel Astra. I had all
the others in my garage, and I don't recall ever buying any. So anyone at
100% completion, or near it, should only have to buy one car, at most. And
in my experience, that one never finishes last anyway. I think it's the
fastest of the bunch.

On a personal note, my wife, daughter, son-in-law, and granddaughter are
all off on a Western Caribbean Cruise and will be back late Monday. I
opted out for reasons I won't go into here. The point of that info being
that, after the two feet of snow we received over the last week, no one is
left to remove snow from the driveways except me. I have a snow-blower.
But my son-in-law just bought a huge house with an equally huge driveway.
He has no snow-blower, and I have no way to take mine over to his house.
So...that leaves the option of my son and I shoveling it. It's wet, heavy,
half-frozen snow, for anyone who lives in a part of the world who knows
what shoveling two feet (and more where it's drifted, or by the road where
the snow plow piled it up) is like. We got about two thirds of it done
yesterday, but have at least a couple more hours of it to go today. After
that, I'll probably have time to give this DTCM thing a go again.

Happy racing, all!
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viperx2002
Posted 3/3/2007 9:38:46 AM
Just make sure you don't over exert yourself when you're
shoveling. Frequent breaks with plenty of water and all that good stuff. I
definitely know about snow(we have had a ton of it here in Colorado this
year).
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oldguy1957
Posted 3/3/2007 11:08:46 PM
Hey, it's normal to have a bit of a burning sensation in my
chest, and a numb left arm and to feel a little dizzy after shoveling,
isn't it? Just kidding. Got the shoveling all finished up and probably
won't be able to get out of bed tomorrow from too many sore muscles, but a
little work-out now and then is good for the soul. Or so I hear.

Anyway, I hit 10 in a row on my DTCM Challenge. I'm not ready to call
myself Champ yet, though. I'll wait and see if anyone else hits 10. If so,
we can have a run-off and see who slips first.

I thought #10 was going to be my downfall. It was by far the most
adventurous! I was in the AMG Mercedes (again), and put a wheel in the
grass at Schwedenkreuz, and ended up backwards in the kitty litter by
Aremberg after a 900 degree spin. By the time I got it pointed in the
right direction and across T2, I was down more than 9 seconds. I thought
it was all over. But luckily, there was another AMG Merc in first place
that was holding up the whole field. I caught up to the tail end of the
pack just as they were braking for that hard right just before Karussell.
By the time we got to the technical section, the Audi TT had taken the
lead, and I was right on his tail. I couldn't get past him until the top
of the hill at Pflanzgarten, but then I kept the lead the rest of the way.
I have to admit I got lucky on that one. If one of the faster cars had
been in first at the start I wouldn't have had a chance.

After that, I was feeling so comfortable in the AMG Merc that I decided to
do the S-16 License test again. It took two tries to get gold. But I ended
up with my best time ever with a 7'05.437 (Gold is 7'07.700).

Well, i've thrown down the gauntlet, and I'm waiting for someone to knock
me off my pedestal! 10 runs only takes an hour and a half, even with
changing cars between each race. I just turned 50 years old a week ago.
I'm sure one of you young'uns has a few extra minutes to shoot down the
old guy! If not, I guess VitG will just have to give that badge to me!! Or
maybe it will be him that does it.. He's no spring chicken, himself.

Happy racing, all. Let's see if we can get this thread rockin' again! It
used to be a lot of fun!
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wanderingmuse22
Posted 3/4/2007 12:42:56 PM
Well Oldguy, I'm still at zero. The only time I A Spec'd
the DTCM was in the Alfa. Every other time it's been the ATM, and not the
DTCM, with a Turbo'd out TT on B-spec. So, thinking "I can do this, no
problem", I dust off the "Lovely Red Racecar" and have a go. Only, I can't
do it no problem, wreck twice, and finish fifth. "That's just a warm up,
no problem", says I, and click the "Magic Retry Button". Only, maybe not
so warm. Three tries later, still no good.

I will get this. But it may take a bit.

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oldguy1957
Posted 3/4/2007 2:19:01 PM
Muse, just remember that you're a LOT faster than the AI's.
Chances are that, if you don't crash, you'll win. There are several places
where the AI's tap the brakes where they don't need to. Be conservative
through the scary parts, and hammer down on the faster parts. After you
get a couple wins under you're belt, you'll relax and start to wonder why
you had so much trouble on the first few.
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oldguy1957
Posted 3/7/2007 5:47:38 AM
message detail BUMP

Where is everyone?
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vanubermaster
Posted 3/7/2007 11:31:46 AM
We're still here oldguy! Good challenge btw. The DTCM is
one of my favourite championships in the game.

I managed a tally of 3 wins. On the forth race, I wasn't doing as well and
when i got onto the long final straight (can't remember what it's called)
the Audi A4 and the Opel Astra got in my slipstream and gunned me down.
The Mercedes 190 Evo is a wonder to drive but it just lacks some power
towards the rest of the bunch and that's what beat me. If anyone has
anymore Nurburgring challenges, then step right up! Laters


albinorhino6
Posted 3/8/2007 5:50:38 PM
I don't know if this has been brought up in this thread,
but a car I just found to be a ton of fun on the Ring is the Suzuki
GSX-R/4. I put a few mods on it, but pretty much left the power plant
alone (mine has about 190 hp). I lightened it, bought brakes, clutch,
flywheel, suspension and a wing. I'm telling you, this thing is like a
go-cart on rails. It doesn't like bumps and curbs that much, but if you
can keep all four wheels on the ground...DAMN. I got my lap times down to
6:58:xxx after messing around for about 1/2 an hour. And these were no
where near perfect laps either. I just found it hella fun because you can
take so many of the corner flat out. The twisty section after the carousel
is probably the most fun. Hardly any braking there at all.
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oldguy1957
Posted 3/8/2007 7:02:55 PM
The GSX-R/4 has always been one of my favorite cars. Like
many other people who have gone for high a-spec totals, I used a fully
modded version to win all the JGTC races for 200 points. It's the only car
that I like so much that I have it in every color. For the Ring, however,
I prefer the stock version to the maxed out version. As you say, it
doesn't like bumps or irregularities in the track, especially if you get
going really fast. It has a tendency to just take off in a random
direction at high speeds, even on minor bumps. So, I keep it real and
stick to the stock version for Ringin'. It's still a blast to drive.
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albinorhino6
Posted 3/8/2007 9:51:01 PM
Ya I think I'm gonna go get another one, and leave it more
stock than the one I currently have. Like I said, with the one I have, I
haven't made that many power upgrades, just handling. The one thing I'm
going to try with my new one is to not do any weight reduction on it, and
see if that makes any difference. Might make it a little less "twitchy".
But even with its quirks and tendencies to take off in random directions,
I still love being able to fly through all the high speed corners flat out
with no braking (like the one near the end of the very high speed section
leading up the the carousel)
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Soulidarity
Posted 3/9/2007 6:32:44 PM
you're referring to mutkurve/angstkurve. Its one of the
toughest corners on the track to get right, imo.

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nightmare75
Posted 3/9/2007 10:00:24 PM
Hey all. I've never posted in this topic, but I think I'm
finally getting the hang of Nurburgring, so I decided to come participate.

I've been driving the Ring a lot lately, as I've been gearing up for DM34.
(which to this point has been the bane of my existence). I took out my
787B for a couple laps. I had a couple times in the low 6 minute range
(none were quite license clean). I think I'm losing a lot of time in the
technical section, and my setup could have been better. (I left the car
completely stock, I'm terrible at tuning suspensions) I keep having
trouble with the high speed left right before Aremberg (that's the first
hairpin, right?), but other than that I'm doing good on the parts of the
track that aren't the technical section. (at least I think so)
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oldguy1957
Posted 3/10/2007 7:19:11 AM
Hey, nightmare75. Welcome to the Diaries. The corner you're
talking about is Schwedenkreuz. And yes, it can be a bit tricky at times.
It's best taken while accelerating slightly, or at least holding a steady
speed. For a really fast car like the 787B, I usually tap the brakes
slightly between the preceding jump and the beginning of the corner so I
can be on the gas as I go through it. Just be sure the car is perfectly
straight as you go over the orange graffiti on the road after the corner,
which is the braking point for Aremberg for most cars. If you're drifting
even the slightest bit when you get on the brakes, you'll end up backwards
in the kitty litter.

As for the technical section, one of the license tests (I believe it is
IA-15) uses that section. One should be able to gold that test before
attempting M34. It can be frustrating (jt took me several hours to get the
gold), but after you get gold on it, you should be able to knock 3 or 4
seconds off your lap-times, no matter what you're driving.

If you have any more questions, ask away. Everyone has slightly different
techniques around the track, so maybe someone else will chip in with other
suggestions.
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nightmare75
Posted 3/10/2007 12:15:01 PM
Isn't IA-15 the one lap guide run around the Ring with the
Merc 190 Evo? I'll find it, I guess.

I've been spending a lot of time on the Ring lately. This is becoming the
place where I take all of my new cars to test them and see if I like 'em.
(I used to use Infineon for this)
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wanderingmuse22
Posted 3/10/2007 8:27:55 PM
Nightmare, there's no better place to see EVERYTHING a car
can do than the 'Ring. Oldguy, I laughed when I read your Schwedenkreuz
instructions. There's no counting the number of cars I've back into that
fence, but the bend itself is the key to many precious seconds.

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Soulidarity
Posted 3/11/2007 3:35:58 PM
yup. Here's a couple pics of what results in taking
Schwedenkreuz wrong

i35.photobucket.com/albums/d153/SoulsGT4pics/IMG0056.jpg
i35.photobucket.com/albums/d153/SoulsGT4pics/IMG0050.jpg

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viperinthegrass
Posted 3/15/2007 5:34:22 AM
Greetings from the Great Southern Land,

Has been a while since posting anything, which, you would have to agree is
unusual. Anyway down to business –

The DTCM Challenge Diary.

I actually completed this ‘un at the weekend but only just had a chance to
type up. On the face of it this would seem to be a relatively easy
challenge if you know the track and assert your superiority over the AI. A
doddle.
Well, maybe.
As highlighted by Don Papa, must be fast, neat, and no mistakes.
I am not the fastest driver in these Diaries but I am pretty good at not
crashing and getting unfamiliar cars around, sometimes cautious is good !
The best advice I can give is if you are going to crash, do it early in
the lap and Don’t Panic !

Race 1
To avoid early embarrassment used an ABT Audi TC
9 point race
6 ‘ 58 .741
+13 seconds..

Race 2
AMG Merc 190 Evo.
90 point race.
7 ‘ 12 .636
+ 6.7 secs.

Race 3
Amg Merc 190 again.
128 point race ( CLK on pole plus an Audi A4 bumped them up).
7 ‘ 11.452
+6.3 secs

Race 4
Alfa Romeo 155 TC
84 Points
7 ‘ 12 .860
+ 5.3 secs
Had to work a bit harder as have not used this Car before at all. Bit
pushy up front but pretty good car, certainly good enough to sort out one
of the weaker lineups.

Race 5
Back to the Merc 190 again.
111 points (cannot remember rest of field ).
7 ‘ 08.663
+7.8 secs , not going to lose a race with this car, love it.
My ‘go to’ areas to get me out of trouble were Breidscheid to Karussel, an
easy 5 second gain every time. The technical section is also a really good
piggy bank. Do not forget though theses are only of use if you blow it
early on !

Race 6
Opel Calibra TC ’94 (unused)
73 points
7 ‘ 14 .405
+.523 secs over an Opel Astra
Close. Very close.

Got tagged from behind (by a 190 I had passed very early on) approaching
Schwedenkreuz ( watching the cars in front and forgot to keep an eye out
behind).Took forever to extricate my self from sandpit at Aremberg and get
going again. Had to chase down Abt Audi, Astra and Alfa and did not get to
front until Galgenkopf. Photo uploaded to Diary album.

Race 7
Back to the Merc 190 again !
90 points
7 ‘ 12.020
+5.4 secs
A bit tense after previous race but trouble free.

Race 8
Guess which Car.
128 points
7 ‘ 06.705
+ 9.4 secs
Go figure, much tougher field and I put in a blinder, all over by
Bergwerk.

Race 9
Audi A4 – A new car to try, never driven before.
28 points
7 ‘ 08.567
+ 10.7 secs
Nice car, like it. Easy win.

Race 10
My old friend the Merc Evo. Felt very relaxed about the last race.
Tough field though – CLK, Audi A4, Alfa, Astra & Calibra
111 points
7 ‘ 07.258
+10.6 secs
My confidence was well founded, no mistakes and cruised home with a wet
Sail.

So there you have it, an interesting exercise with the possibility for
disaster ever present. I guess I had better get busy working up a suitable
trophy.

Later.

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genghis
Posted 3/15/2007 4:31:45 PM
Should be of interest:
f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2007/03/15/heidfeld_to_challenge_old_nurburgring_circuit/

nightmare75
Posted 3/15/2007 8:47:21 PM
^^ Good find. I hope to see a vid of that, it ought to be
exciting.

I know they say they're not worried about records in the article, but I
can't help but think that's in the back of their minds when they run this.
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viperx2002
Posted 3/16/2007 1:34:55 PM
So when I rejoined the Diary I mentioned that I wouldn't
have a lot of time to actually play right away because I was(and still am)
being shipped back and forth between home(Denver) and Huntsville, AL. One
upside though to being down here is the rental cars. I figure I could at
least talk about them(because I am bored out of skull right now) a little.


I have driven an '07 HHR, a brand new Mustang(30 miles on it, not a GT or
anything), and a couple of Pontiac G6s(A GTP, and a straight up V6). Now
in order to relate this to our beloved little piece of German heaven I
have decided to review them for how I think they would perform on the
'ring.

The HHRs: I was surprised by how tight the handling is on the 07 one(my
current ride). It's just a 4 cylinder engine but it has a little bit of
torque to it. I have no idea about top end speed of it(I have no intention
of getting in trouble with the law in another state on company money) but
I doubt it's anything to write home about. It pushes a little and that
scares me but I think overall it would be kind of fun. My biggest concern
would actually be the fact that they are so boxy and tall. It wouldn't
take much to get that thing to roll on the wrong corners on the ring.

The G6s: Ok let me get the V6 out of the way first... this car was no fun
to drive. For such a large engine there is just no go in it at all. And it
pushes pretty significantly. It would be a boring run around such a tight
track. The GTP on the other hand... is a blast to drive. I believe it's
also a 6 cylinder engine but as we found out after dinner one night that
thing can break traction off the line with 4 full grown adults in it. It
also handles remarkably well for an FF. I suspect good times could be had
pushing this one deep into the turns.

Which brings us to the Mustang... It's the most powerful car I have ever
driven in real life(not counting a giant box van which had a larger
engine). Very tight handling(of course it is an FR) and good acceleration
all the way through the gears. The only unfortunate part was that it was
an automatic. One night driving back to the hotel without really pushing
it I got it up to 100 mph and it wanted more(I was getting close to my
exit so I backed it off). I would love to get this thing into the
technical section of the 'ring just to see how tight the handling really
is.

Ranking would look like this(best to worst):
'07 Mustang
'06 G6 GTP
'07 HHR
'06 G6 V6
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Soulidarity
Posted 3/19/2007 3:10:20 PM
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viperx2002
Posted 3/19/2007 3:20:33 PM
Guess no one thought much of my last post... that's alright
though it accomplished it's task(it gave me something to do that
afternoon... I was really flagging)
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Soulidarity
Posted 3/19/2007 6:42:08 PM
I thought it was neat, but having never driven any of those
cars, I can't really say much. The diaries are kind of dying these days.
The last volume took more than 6 months to hit 500, and this one will
likely far exceed that, so its likely that some of the regulars simply
haven't checked in and read it yet.

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ignignoc_n_err
Posted 3/21/2007 9:46:17 PM
For Great Justice..

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viperinthegrass
Posted 3/21/2007 11:26:50 PM
Only had two experiences with hire cars worth mentioning,
both back in the mid 1980's. One of the cars would actually be great fun
at the 'Ring and would probably beat Jeremy Clarksons 10 minute lap.
The other one would be certain death.

My good experience involved some model of Sporty Volvo ( stop chortling )
given to me as an upgrade because they did not have the small cheap buzz
box I had booked. Man, I caned that car all weekend for about 1500 km all
up. Great fun. Just wish I could remember the model.

The "Bad" Car was a Nissan Pulsar I think. **** what a death trap.
Felt like the steering wheel was connected to the front end by a piece of
limp spaghetti. Fred Flinstone had better brakes, and when it started to
rain, getting round any corner at all no matter how gentle was the very
definition of understeer.
I had such a horrible experience in the alleged car I refused to pay the
hire charge for the half a day I used it.

I have also just remembered another experience involving a Taxi, not a
hire car.
If you really and truly wish to know what the expression "Sheer Terror"
actually feels like, take a ride with a Lisbon Taxi Driver. Those
Portuguese are insane.

Later.

[vitg]

ignignoc_n_err
Posted 3/21/2007 11:53:28 PM
If you really and truly wish to know what the expression
"Sheer Terror" actually feels like, take a ride with a Lisbon Taxi Driver.


The same could be said of taxi and Jeepney drivers in southern Manila.
*shiver* What a way to grow up...
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Nemesis_Lion
Posted 3/22/2007 1:23:01 AM
If you really and truly wish to know what the expression
"Sheer Terror" actually feels like, take a ride with a Lisbon Taxi Driver.
Those Portuguese are insane.




I'm portuguese and I think you're right... some of them have a lot of
loose screws, and then they try to get to the destination as fast as the
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wanderingmuse22
Posted 3/23/2007 9:54:59 PM
*bump*

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Soulidarity
Posted 3/27/2007 1:51:15 PM
!!!

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lmhansen
Posted 3/29/2007 4:28:43 AM
Are the Lisbon taxi drivers really worse than the New York
City ones? Not sure if that is possible. When taking a ride to the
airport, they sometimes takes backroads through neighborhoods you didn't
know existed, and you're never sure if they're taking you to the airport
or looking for a spot to dump your body...


Nemesis_Lion
Posted 3/29/2007 4:54:02 AM
Well I can't say much from the NYC taxi drivers, since I've
never been to NY.

But one thing I know, is that sometimes they make a really short distance
(like going from the Cais do Sodré to the Terreiro do Paço, which is
something like 7.5 minutes ON FOOT) into a really long one (they might
"detour" through Rossio).

Loads of problems like these invade my ears every now and then.

And some of them, are also extremely stupid. Once, I've accompanied a
friend of mine into his new school, and we picked a taxi. The taxi driver
was alright, until we got to the place. My friend has the habit of
checking if the taxi driver gave him the correct amount of change.

As soon as the taxi driver noticed it, he completely blew a fuse, and
****ed off just because of that.
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Soulidarity
Posted 3/29/2007 11:20:33 AM
Tijuana taxi drivers are pretty bad as well. They run red
lights, drive on the wrong side of the street, and have no problem letting
customers crowd into the car beyond what is safe for passengers.

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viperinthegrass
Posted 3/29/2007 7:46:38 PM
Well there is one Taxi I will not mind getting into one
day, and that of course, is a 'Ring Taxi !!
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ciscrack
Posted 3/30/2007 9:15:56 AM
Boy this topic sure is slowing down if we're talking about
taxis' around the world.

Is someone gonna come up with a Taxi BR of some sort? Hmmm...

Viper- to the airport sir! And step on it!
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Soulidarity
Posted 3/31/2007 7:56:58 PM
Went to the Good Guys hot rod show today. Here's the pics
for anyone interested.

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viperinthegrass
Posted 4/1/2007 2:08:03 AM
Yes Sir !
Airport it is, as fast as possible.
That will be $328 thank you very much.

Got a BR in mind, or do you want me to come up with something ?

Hey Souli nice photos , thanks mate !
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ciscrack
Posted 4/2/2007 9:10:09 AM
viper- I'm 10 hrs. into the SartheII 24 hr race that I
started last monday, so if you wanna come up with a taxi BR, please do.

Soul- nice pics. I see they had one of the infamous Superbirds' there.
Love it!


Soulidarity
Posted 4/2/2007 10:07:19 AM
They actually had a second Superbird there, as well, but it
wasn't as well kept as the one I got a shot of.

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nightmare75
Posted 4/2/2007 8:24:55 PM
I love the Superbird, especially the Vitamin C color. Nice
pics.
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Soulidarity
Posted 4/2/2007 10:19:56 PM
So, I finally popped GT4 back in for the first time in a
long time (since the end of the Spirra comp, whenever that was). I decided
to start a new file (on a separate card, so my more complete file is still
intact), and I have really lost my touch. Not that I was ever fast before,
but I only bronzed most of the license tests and got no golds whatsoever.
This was B, A, and IB. DM 10 had me stuck for about 5 or 6 attempts as
well.

It could be awhile before I'm back into form

The only plus was that I still felt like I knew the 'ring well, and my
only errors on the license tests on that track were braking points.

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Posted 4/5/2007 9:20:32 AM
ummmm... bummmmmp
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DESTROYALLBLISK
Posted 4/5/2007 4:54:57 PM
I don't get it, why does everyone call it the "ring?" I can
it the pig, lol.

Also for whoever shall be reading this message, I'm planning on doing the
24 hour race on the pig. I would like to know a good setup for the
CLK-GTR, you know the car from the German Series race. I've checked the
setups on GTVault, and I've read comments of it being bad on the corners.
So I don't know if I should go with that setup, also is there a better car
to use? Give me your opinion.


DESTROYALLBLISK
Posted 4/5/2007 5:22:14 PM
I call it the pig.*


Soulidarity
Posted 4/5/2007 5:48:26 PM
Nurburgring

I don't think you need to worry much about setup with the CLK. It murders
the competition in that race, so there's no need to tweak it much.

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DESTROYALLBLISK
Posted 4/5/2007 6:25:16 PM
Cool, Cool

[vitg]

DESTROYALLBLISK
Posted 4/5/2007 7:39:38 PM
You know whats hard to do on the pig? Race the Audi Auto
Union V16 Type C Streamline on it, thats hard.


nightmare75
Posted 4/5/2007 7:48:25 PM
Yeah, I agree, the Auto Union doesn't handle very well. It
was designed for top speed, and actually held the land speed record (set
on the Autobahn) back when it was created. It doesn't have great turning
radius, as it has covers over the front wheels which limits the front
wheels range of motion.

It's still fun to drive, IMO.
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Soulidarity
Posted 4/6/2007 7:41:02 PM
Started 1000 Miles! with an Alfa 1600 Duetto (I think
that's the one; the buyable classic Alfa). The first lineup was lacking
any of the big powerhouse cars, and only had one big weakling (a Silvia, I
think), so I took it, for 64 points. By Aremburg I realized that I had
made 2 mistakes: I had forgotten to take the driving aids off, which was
negatively affecting my speed through and out of corners, and I had
forgotten to buy S1 tires for the car, which would have made the race a
bit easier to manage.

Coming out of Adenauer Forst, I was close behind the first place Mini
Marcos and the second place car. I passed the Marcos by Karussell, and for
the next 3 laps, he remained behind me by no more than 4 seconds (at times
within a second of me), with him powering close behind on the straights,
and passing me on D-H once. By the end of the fourth lap, I had managed to
grab an 8 second lead, but needed to pit, as my front tires were dark
orange. I came out of the pit about 10 seconds back, and fell back to
almost 20 seconds behind on cold tires by the end of the fifth lap.

Sixth lap, my tires were warming up, and his were wearing out, so I pulled
back to about 8 seconds down when he pitted. From there, I slowly built up
a lead to nearly 30 seconds by the time I pitted at the end of my 8th lap.
Coming out of the pit with about a 10 second lead, and the fact that we'd
both be pitting at the end of the 12th lap, everything depended on how
much ground he was able to pick up on me while my tires were cold.

I fared better this time than the last, and only lost about 3 or 4 seconds
on my 9th lap. By the end of the 12th lap, I had (disappointingly) managed
to extend my lead to more than 35 seconds, and we both pitted, so the lead
remained unchanged.

After 13, with the lead around 40 seconds, I've put it on pause for the
night. Maybe coming back cold tomorrow afternoon will allow him to make up
some gap, but its become much less competitve than it started out.

Still having a lot of fun with it though.


viperinthegrass
Posted 4/7/2007 5:02:49 AM
Nice going Souli, it's good to hear you are enjoying
yourself Racing at the 'Ring again.
That Alfa is a sweet car, nice choice. It is also certainly easier to
drive than the Auto Union beast !!

"Big Yellow Taxi Budget Rider™ "

Just for something to do over the Easter break, cop this.
Select a Car to comply with the following rules -
Minimum weight 1500 kg,
Four doors,
Economy tyres,
Any colour you like as long as it is Yellow.
As usual ASM / TCS optional, but preferably off.

Do your best and report back, cookies on offer for a decent yarn as well.
Good luck.

BTW two other things, I have a Medal for the DTCM just about ready and
will post link when available to hand out.
Muse - I like your latest clip.

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nightmare75
Posted 4/8/2007 9:39:30 PM
That's kind of a small field to pick from; I think the only
eligible cars are the Volvo S60, Audi S4, and both of the FPVs. That said,
here's my story.

Car: FPV F6 Typhoon '04 Color: Yellow Weight: ~1700 kg Aids: ASM OFF TCS 1

<begin story> (feel free to skip)

So I'm driving around, and I see some scruffy lookin' guy hailing me, so I
pull my trusty old FPV F6 Typhoon up. I'm a little leery of letting a guy
like this into my cab, but I gotta make a living somehow. He throws a big
duffel bag into the trunk. I think to myself that the bag is just big
enough for a body, but then I mentally slap myself for thinking such silly
thoughts. Anyhoo...

The guy gets into my cab and smells even worse than he looks, which is
pretty serious because he looks worse than death. I ask him where he wants
to go and he just says, "Drive, and I'll give you directions. And make it
fast, I need to beat--... I mean, I'm in a hurry." His breath bites my
nose worse than his BO (which is really saying something), so I take off
in. I'm driving quickly, but carefully. There isn't much traffic at this
time of night (even though this time of night has broad daylight <_<), so
I pretty much have my way with the road. The directions he gives me
involve lots of twists and turns. He keeps breathing heavier and heavier
the farther I drive, so I decide I need to talk to this guy to see if he's
as creepy as I think he is. I ask where he's going at this daylit time of
night, and he replies, "oh, no where in particular. Just burying the body
in my bag--... I mean, uh, just go until I tell you to stop." At this
point, I am starting to get freaked out, so I turn up the driving a
little. After about 7 miles, he tells me to stop, and I am super-happy to
oblige. I pull up the road a little bit after dropping him off and see a
road leading into a dark forest, but don't think anything of it. Pretty
soon after that, I get a call that some guy wants a ride. The address is
similar to where I picked up this last guy, but I don't think anything of
it. When I get there, I look down and find that I forgot to reset the
meter after I let the guy out. It reads: 8.30:475 and 13 miles. I'm a
little worried about the mileage, because 13 has always been my lucky
number. But that thought gets put on the back burner when the next guy
hops into my cab.

This guy is almost as creepy and unbathed as the first. Seriously, I
almost whipped out the Febreeze right there and then. Anyway, the guy
says, "Just drive and I'll give directions. And go fast, I'm trying to
catch someone." Now I'm thinking that this is just a coincidence, but
after the first three or four turns I realize that he's heading the exact
same way as the first guy. By now, I'm driving as fast as I possibly can
and my passenger is a little confused as to why I know the route so well.
The Comfort tires screech as I round corners as fast as I'm able. When I
get to the same dropoff as the first, I let the guy out, hardly stopping.
I drive by the road into the woods again and see footprints leading away
from the main road. I'm pretty much scared ****less right now, so I'm
driving as fast as I can, but driving aimlessly. Without realizing where I
was going, I ended up right where I had picked up the two guys, completing
the Ring for the second time. I looked down at the meter; I forgot to
reset it again. This time it read 8.24.317, 13 miles. I saw another creepy
looking guy hailing me for a ride at the same spot, but this time I mash
the gas, but slam into the wall just as I bail from the car. </end story>


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nightmare75
Posted 4/8/2007 9:41:38 PM
(cont'd)

Here's a synopsis for those who don't want to read that ridiculous wall of
text: Picked up smelly guy w/ a bag, drove fast, dropped him off. Picked
up second smelly guy, drove faster, dropped off in same place, then
crashed. Laps were 8:30 and 8:24 in my FPV F6 Typhoon on Comfort tires.

Kind of a crap ending, I know, but I've always been bad at ending stories.


Cookie for anyone who can guess what corner I dropped the guys off at.

Not too disappointed with the laps, I'm kind of rusty after playing God of
War II and Guitar Hero II lately. I really wish they had a Crown Vic with
the Police Interceptor package in it. That car has power. (I got to drive
one once after they stripped all the police paraphenilia off of it.)
That's definitely the ideal taxi car.
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Soulidarity
Posted 4/8/2007 10:27:55 PM
I'll check out the taxi BR when I finish 1000 miles! As it
is now, I still haven't finished the 'ring, as I had no time this weekend
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Mister_Beefy
Posted 4/9/2007 7:53:41 PM
Jesus, I can't believe how these diaries are still alive.


I rememember the very first ones. That must have been a couple years ago.
Christ.

I've gone through many nicknames through then. I don't even remember the
one I used to originally come here on. I think it was Ender or N_350Z or
something like that. It was ages ago.

Daaaaaaaamn.

Anyway, since you guys are on a Blogspot account, and if you're interested
in some other type of hosting, I will give you guys whatever you need.

If Soulidiarity or however you spell his name is interested, please email
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Soulidarity
Posted 4/9/2007 10:39:47 PM
The offer is nice, but being that the board and the Diaries
are mostly dying these days, there doesn't seem to be much need to move
everything. I'll continue to create new Diary topics as long as the few
regulars we have left continue to post here, and I'll continue to do
occasional updates to the blogspot page, but I'm personally not willing to
devote much more time than that.

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viperinthegrass
Posted 4/10/2007 6:07:24 AM
Hmmm ? I wonder if that track into the Forest is the same
place I had to drop off some bodies, err, I mean suitcases once
(Steilstrecke ? ).
Nice work nightmare75, the story is Ace.
Truly. I for one would like to know what happens next !

My bad with the limited choice of Cars, I checked my garage and saw there
were plenty of heavy four doors available but forgot to check paint jobs
available.
It is not essential to use only Yellow Cars, this will increase the choice
a bit.
Should have a chance to have a go myself tomorrow night, for now I have to
prepare to go back to work after Easter.
Curses.