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Post by Rotary on Aug 16, 2008 11:06:47 GMT -5
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MacktasticSlick
Throttlehog
My friend drove his McLaren F1 from New York to Chicago and got there before he left.
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Post by MacktasticSlick on Aug 16, 2008 13:32:50 GMT -5
I like it! From what I can see, the interior is pretty good for a car that has been around for a couple decades. The engine bay is pretty dirty, but overall not too shabby! And a 5000rpm redline? Does anyone know why that's so low?
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Post by nightmare75 on Aug 16, 2008 13:55:13 GMT -5
I'd say remove Jaguar parts as much as you can. British cars have never been known for their reliability. But it's a good looking car and it'll be great once you fix it up.
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Post by Rotary on Aug 16, 2008 19:22:02 GMT -5
Macktastic: Redline is low 'coz that's all it will rev to. Stock heads are CRAP, stock intake manifold is CRAP. and the airflow meter (Bosch FTL) is a bigass restriction too. Oh, and the exhaust is crap too.
If the trans has more than a few clutches murdered (which I have to assume is correct, has nothing BUT reverse), we'll probably just toss a Buick 3800 and 700-R4 in and boost it.
Electrically... We're killing all of it and rewiring. Lucas, the Prince of Darkness, will not reside in my car. So even if the trans is repairable, it's getting proper EFI and maybe a little compression bump so it makes more than 220 ft-lbs from a bloody 4.2L six that has a very long stroke in comparison to bore size.
Still, even though it's weak and heavy (pretty much 2 tons dead on), it'll move well enough if we DON'T go into it. If we do, it's just gravy.
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Post by Lupin_IV on Aug 16, 2008 19:54:15 GMT -5
Unless you already have a doner Buick, it'd be less time and hassle to drop in a V8 than dealing with the 3800.
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Post by IGNIGNOC on Aug 16, 2008 21:22:40 GMT -5
I agree with Lupin. Go with a 350/5.7L and a 700R4. Actually, if you google "jags that run" you'll find a site dedicated to swapping GM engines and transmissions into Jags, and they've got a lot of materials (printed and otherwise) to help you out.
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Post by Rotary on Aug 16, 2008 21:23:06 GMT -5
Nah, the 3800 is less hassle. It DOES NOT DIE, has enough guts, and will still provide good fuel economy.
So there we go. I don't want a V8, it'll be my daily and I ain't paying for 15mpg in the city. 20mpg is much nicer.
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Post by ½ A Gram on Aug 16, 2008 22:46:46 GMT -5
durrr.....I'm really sorry for this, but I just got off from 10 hours at work.
is the 700R4 a manual or auto? if it ain't i'd drop a manual in there. if you're gonna go through the work of rewiring it, swapping in a new engine/drivetrain anyway, switching over to manual can't be too much more (althoguh it's no small job either)
I, personally, think it's too much damn money, and too much damn work. But, that hypocrisy, because if someone handed me a non running, non shifting 911, I'd most likely pour most of my college funds into it.
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Post by Lupin_IV on Aug 16, 2008 23:01:00 GMT -5
Nah, the 3800 is less hassle. It DOES NOT DIE, has enough guts, and will still provide good fuel economy. So there we go. I don't want a V8, it'll be my daily and I ain't paying for 15mpg in the city. 20mpg is much nicer. The Chevy Small Block is put into just about everything because it's cheap and easy to buy, install, and fix. Plus, the difference between a stock (350 cu in ) LT1 and stock (3.8L) L67 is less than 3 mpg under normal driving conditions. If you get the (305 cu in) L03, the difference narrows to about 1. durrr.....I'm really sorry for this, but I just got off from 10 hours at work. is the 700R4 a manual or auto? if it ain't i'd drop a manual in there. if you're gonna go through the work of rewiring it, swapping in a new engine/drivetrain anyway, switching over to manual can't be too much more (althoguh it's no small job either) I, personally, think it's too much damn money, and too much damn work. But, that hypocrisy, because if someone handed me a non running, non shifting 911, I'd most likely pour most of my college funds into it. The 700R4 is an automatic. The "Turbo-Hydramatic 700R4" was renamed "Hydra-Matic 4L60" in 1991 and phased out in favor of the electronically controlled 4L60-E by 1994. |
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Post by Rotary on Aug 16, 2008 23:55:10 GMT -5
Find me an LT1 for the price of dirt.
That, and I'm going with a Buick 3800 if I do swap it, not the normal 3.8l bullshit motor.
It's a FWD motor but will bolt to a 700 or a T5, so issalgood there, and it gets 30mpg on the highway in cars AROUND the same weight (Fine, about 2-500lbs less).
Tupac: The 700-R4 is an automatic. Also, it's not "too much damn money". This thing will be on the road for less than a grand if the trans in it isn't trashed completely. If we go along the complete swap route, it'll still be on the road for less than 3 grand and PERFECT for about 5 grand.
And, err, it's a 4000lb JAGUAR. A stick would entirely defeat the purpose of the car.
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Post by ½ A Gram on Aug 17, 2008 0:00:39 GMT -5
Meh...i'd look around for a Jaguar 12 cylinder and drop one of those motherfuckers in. I suppose since you aren't swapping in Jag parts it's not as bad.
BTW: DO NOT get a 305. rounded camshaft lobes FTL.
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Post by Lupin_IV on Aug 17, 2008 0:44:26 GMT -5
That, and I'm going with a Buick 3800 if I do swap it, not the normal 3.8l bullshit motor. L67 is the RPO code for the supercharged Buick 3800 V6. The only better Buick 3800 is the L32, which has only been used as the top engine option in the 2004-2007 Grand Prix. The only other thing you could be talking about is the LD5 turbocharged Buick 3.8L Fireball V6 used in the Regal T-type until 1985 or the intercooled LC2 Fireball used in '86 and '87. |
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Post by Rotary on Aug 17, 2008 1:11:31 GMT -5
305 period FTL. They suck. It's really just an average Chevy small-block, but with small bores and garbage heads. Also... A 12? Are you shitting me? O.o Fuel costs, fuel costs, fuel costs, fuel costs, did I mention fuel costs, and REPAIR BILLS if anything goes wrong. The six is already bad enough for all of the above  That's why there's even the thought of a swap. |
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Post by IGNIGNOC on Aug 17, 2008 1:11:36 GMT -5
Unless you already have the 3800 in-hand, I'd still suggest the 5.7L for the swap. You may actually find that costs for the Buick V6 are at or close to (even higher in some locations) than the GM V8, and parts for the V8 are a lot more common and cost-effective. With the right gearing, like a stock, rebuilt 700R4, fuel economy can be very good with the V8, also.
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Post by Rotary on Aug 17, 2008 1:16:47 GMT -5
The 3800 is as good as it gets, and the one in particular I'd be going with is the early pre-series 1 motor used in the LeSabre, Park Ave, 88, 98, etc. Suck air, 170hp.
That specific model of the 3800 is much cheaper than anything save smogged-to-shit 305s and maybe a Ford 302. So...
That, and I don't want a 350. Period. Don't ask why, I don't even know. The Buick six just looks to be the better option IMO.
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The Moast. Evil. EVAR. (next to Viper, that is...)
That's why there's even the thought of a swap.