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Post by shipwreck22 on Feb 8, 2008 20:01:58 GMT -5
Your post gave me an idea, Shipwreck. We could to a credit/second challenge. Everyone could start with the same car and an unlimited budget. The goal would be to spend as little money as possible on the car while improving your time by as much as possible. Of course there would need to be an agreed upon benchmark time to which everyone could compare. The winner would be the one who found the best mix of performance and thrift. We should then get a vote on the car, then have everyone run stock in the car. We average the times and that's the benchmark. Now to the car , what does everyone say? |
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Post by vitg on Feb 9, 2008 6:32:08 GMT -5
Your post gave me an idea, Shipwreck. We could to a credit/second challenge. Everyone could start with the same car and an unlimited budget. The goal would be to spend as little money as possible on the car while improving your time by as much as possible. Of course there would need to be an agreed upon benchmark time to which everyone could compare. The winner would be the one who found the best mix of performance and thrift. We should then get a vote on the car, then have everyone run stock in the car. We average the times and that's the benchmark. Now to the car , what does everyone say? Brilliant ! That will work a treat. My vote would be, let me see ? hmm, how about the TVR Tamora ? |
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Post by oldguy1957 on Feb 9, 2008 9:55:58 GMT -5
I'll play. I don't recall ever driving the Tamora, so I'm game for that. We should set a deadline for turning in our benchmark times. Give it the weekend? Or do we need longer? For the benchmark time, should we run it straight from the showroom, or give it a oil change, since I'm assuming everyone will do that anyway once it's "game on".
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Post by shipwreck22 on Feb 9, 2008 17:12:53 GMT -5
I'm guessing that the Tamora is it, so everyone participating should sign up by next Saturday, and times will be due in 2 Saturdays from now, at midnight Central US time. P.M. me for the times.
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Post by nightmare75 on Feb 9, 2008 21:47:22 GMT -5
Doing this will require to me to dig out my wheel, find my GT4 disc, move a bed, find time, and shake off the rust from my driving skill. This will be no small feat but I will try!
I think the Tamora sounds like a good car. It's RWD, has decent power and handling stock and should have good potential.
Also, I think maybe one benchmark time for all of us would be a better choice. That prevents the user from sandbagging their benchmark time to be higher and therefore getting seconds without actually improving the car (Not like I really expect anyone here to do that). Plus, with me and my long layover from playing, my times are going to be getting progressively better just do to me practicing with the car, meaning I would be gaining seconds that weren't due to monetary improvements. Anyone opposed to setting just one benchmark? The next step would be to nominate someone
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Post by shipwreck22 on Feb 9, 2008 21:56:07 GMT -5
Hmmmm.... You do have a point Nightmare. I could do the benchmark, though I'm not the greatest and I don't have a boat-load of Ring experience. I'll try at least.
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Post by oldguy1957 on Feb 9, 2008 23:46:08 GMT -5
I just ran several laps in the Tamora to get some of the rust off and got in some fairly clean laps. My best of which was a 7'41.292. I'm sure I left at least a couple seconds out there, but it wasn't too bad. You can use that, shipwreck, as a reference for your own time, or go ahead and use that as a benchmark or whatever. And BTW, that time was straight from the showroom, no oil change or anything. Just turned off the driving aids and went.
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Post by vitg on Feb 10, 2008 20:01:37 GMT -5
I just ran several laps in the Tamora to get some of the rust off and got in some fairly clean laps. My best of which was a 7'41.292. I'm sure I left at least a couple seconds out there, but it wasn't too bad. You can use that, shipwreck, as a reference for your own time, or go ahead and use that as a benchmark or whatever. And BTW, that time was straight from the showroom, no oil change or anything. Just turned off the driving aids and went. As Oldguy1957 knows what he is doing, I am happy to go with his time or if you like round it down to a 7 '40 flat and start from there, including an oil change in the Budget. Oh btw, I am in  |
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Post by shipwreck22 on Feb 10, 2008 22:09:39 GMT -5
7' 40 sounds like a good time to me. Ran 2 laps today w/ an oil change, got an 8:00:100, with a lot of work needed
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Post by nightmare75 on Feb 11, 2008 17:15:55 GMT -5
7'40 is the benchmark then. I'll see if I have time later today, maybe tomorrow after school.
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Post by nightmare75 on Feb 12, 2008 23:07:17 GMT -5
I ran a few laps in the stock car today (minus the driving aids) and after a lot of rust scraping and some WD-40, I managed a 7'39.6xx. I tell you what, it was ugly at first, but I got back in the swing of things pretty quickly. Hope I have time to start the actual challenge later this week. Shouldn't be a problem, seeing as I have Friday and Monday off of school.
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Post by vitg on Feb 14, 2008 18:47:46 GMT -5
Hey all, Ran two laps last night. First very ugly  , second lap 7' 41.xxx so thats near enough to the benchmark . Not wanting to influence anyone in any way on how to spend their money, but I can see some weight loss and decent brakes being popular, no ? Catch you later, off to the spare parts shoppe. |
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Post by ciscokid on Feb 15, 2008 12:39:49 GMT -5
Maybe I'll pull myself away from GT5P to give this a go. Maybe.
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Post by oldguy1957 on Feb 17, 2008 1:07:11 GMT -5
I have my results, which were interesting. But I don't want to post my observations until everyone who is going to try this finishes, otherwise it would influence what they try. I will say the best result I received was an improvement ratio of $110.72:1hp.
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Post by vitg on Feb 21, 2008 21:50:15 GMT -5
G'day all !
I have also finished the driving part of this Budget Rider™
I just have to do the calculations and write it all up.
Probably finish all that some time this weekend.
For me the most obvious conclusion so far is "The Law of Diminishing Returns" i.e. there is a point where the cost of achieving a major improvement is far higher than is warranted.
I had fun with the Car once I reduced the understeer and I will be interested in the Cost / HP / Seconds achieved.
Later.
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, second lap 7' 41.xxx so thats near enough to the benchmark 